From: Rick McCallister
Message: 53096
Date: 2008-02-14
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> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, Rick McCallister
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> wrote:
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> > I seem to remember reading that the term [arya]
> was also used by
> > the Tokharians -- but it may have borrowed from
> Iranian. I think
> > I read it in the context of arya/orya meaning
> "slave" in some
> > Uralic language -- the idea being they got it from
> Tokharian,
> > which according to what I read is the IE language
> most affected by
> > interaction with Uralic.
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> As far as I know, the Finnish word for 'slave'
> (presumably captured
> in raids into southern territories), orja-, is
> considered one of the
> many loan words from *Proto-Indo-Iranian* (not from
> Proto-Tocharian)
> into Uralic which would indicate that:
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> 1. the early habitat of Proto-Indo-Iranians was in
> an area close to
> the Central Asian steppe-taiga interface, e.g., near
> the Urals;
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> 2. these Proto-Indo-Iranians called themselves
> *arya-.
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> Other Uralic loan words from Proto-Indo-Iranian
> *arya- are Pre-Saami
> *orja- > oar'ji-'southwest', a%r'jel- 'southerner';
> Estonian ori-,
> Udmurt var-, Komi ver-, Mordovian ur/a"- 'slave'.
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> The case is different with Tocharian languages,
> which borrowed the
> term a:rya- from Indo-Aryan, most likely via some
> Iranian language.
> Thus, we have Tocharian B a:rs'e- (prob.) 'monk',
> Tocharian A a:rs'i-
> (prob.) 'ordained beggar monk' (as a noun) and
> `Aryan' (as an
> adjective relating to Buddhist religiousness). The
> noun a:rs'i- has
> occasionally been claimed to be an indigenous
> designation of the
> Tocharian A language or an ethnic self-designation
> of its speakers,
> but this interpretation does not seem to be correct.
> H.W. Bailey,
> for instance, rejects it. Cf. the entry in D.Q.
> Adams' Tocharian B
> dictionary at
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> http://tinyurl.com/38xhgf
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> Hope this helps,
> Francesco
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