From: Patrick Ryan
Message: 52362
Date: 2008-02-05
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rick McCallister" <gabaroo6958@...>
To: <cybalist@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 1:05 PM
Subject: Re: [tied] 7-minute ITCH
> On the Wikipedia article for "oats", the generic
> Egyptian word is jt, given phonetically as "eat" I
> suppose /iyt/. If -t is a feminine marker here, could
> it be a loanword from whatever the Middle Eastern
> source was?
>
> --- Piotr Gasiorowski <gpiotr@...> wrote:
>
> > On 2008-02-05 13:22, fournet.arnaud wrote:
> >
> > > There's nothing particularly "dialectal" about
> > *jew(h1)o- .
> > > ========== Do you have a western language reflex ?
> >
> > It has reflexes in Hittite, Greek, Indo-Iranian and
> > Balto-Slavic -- a
> > set of languages which is neither a genetic unit nor
> > an areal grouping.
> > If the word doesn't occur in Italic, Celtic and
> > Germanic, its local loss
> > (replacement by new words for 'barley'?) is more
> > likely than a
> > "dialectal" innovation in the East.
> > >
> > > =========== The 'oats' word was something rather
> > complex like
> > > *h2awig^-i/s-) and any connection with *jewo-, let
> > alone the rest of
> > > the list, is unlikely. ==============
> > > Utterly stupid
> >
> > Calling anything that goes against your pet idea
> > "utterly stupid" is
> > infantile, especially if your own argument is
> > fatally flawed (see below).
> >
> > > I am precisely explaining to you that this is an
> > example of inherited
> > > *z which results in *H2 in western PIE and *y in
> > eastern PIE.
> >
> > A few branches (Balto-Slavic, Greek, probably
> > Iranian) have BOTH
> > *h2awig^(s)- and *jeu(h1)o- (cf. Lith. aviz^a`
> > 'oats' : jãvas 'corn,
> > grain'), so your "split *z" seems to be an illusion.
> >
> > Piotr
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
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