Re: PS Emphatics

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From: "fournet.arnaud" <fournet.arnaud@...>
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Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2008 1:47 AM
Subject: Re: Re: Re:Re: [tied] Re: PS Emphatics


> > ===================
>
> Unclear to whom - you? PR
> ==========
> To Loprieno in the first place
> who clearly sees that this "letter" <3>
> has more than one "value" in the rest of PAA.
> ARnaud
> ================
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<3> does _not_ exist in the rest of PA (Proto-Afrasian).

If Loprieno thinks it does, quote him. Do not put it in your own words
because you get it all wrong.

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> Egyptian <3> _never_ appears as /s/ in any related language.
> ==============
> Why don't you look for one example ?
> I give you the "recipe" :
> - initials in Egyptian must be either : d or q, glottalized.
> - 3 is *s turned into *s?, because of glottalic propagation.
> A root like t?_s or t?_sh or q_s or q_sh.
> Arnaud
> =================

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Looking for _ONE_ example is only the beginning of the work. Until you have
found that repeated several times, you _should_ have nothing to talk about.

There are _no_ glottalized consonants in Egyptian; at an early date, there
was [?] and [h].

Glottalized consonants were voiced by the time we get to Afrasian, the
parent of Egyptian.

Glottalized emphatics are a modern dialectal variation; the emphatics were
first retroflex, and, as Richard, I think, pointed out, pharyngalized.

On this basis, your speculation about <3> and /s/ is of no value.

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> <3w) is Pokorny's *rew6-.
> ==========
> you mean the root "empty space" !?
> 3_w means "length".
> Arnaud
> ===========
> Hausa t?sawô, if it actually exists,
> ======
> Why don't you check by yourself ?

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You have misquoted Loprieno, and inaccurately spelled Hebrew and Arabic
words.

I think I am entitled to a bit of reassurance before I waste any time on
phantoms of your fingers.

I sometimes wonder if you are just putting me on with what you should know
is false.

In Faulkner's dictionary, the first definition for <3w> is "<u>long</u>: of
space".

Do you know what <geräumig> means in Pokorny under *rew6-???

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> These last days, I noticed you are improving
> your methods :
> - changing the order of phonemes, as in n_b_w,
> - making laws that don't work, as in ma(?)wa.t
> - asserting that good references are worthless,
> like Kazimirski,
> Arnaud
> ================
> There is nothing "archaic" about i_a.
> =========
> It's definitely archaic and older than the scheme *o_â.
> I give you another HAusa word to check,
> Yesterday : jiyâ
> Root : gh_y
> Scheme : i_â
> Words with the scheme i_â are *rare*.
> because the scheme *o_â replaced it.
> Arnaud
> ===============
> It is the simple result of *wei- being combined with -*aH.
> Patrick
> =============
> I am suggesting that LAtin via
> could be reanalyzed as *w_H2- with scheme i_â,
> instead of being *w_y- with scheme e_â
> Actually this scheme **e_â is impossible in the first place.
> Arnaud
> =============

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Your suggestion, as usual, is of no value. PIE does not have vocalic
"schemes" as do Semitic languages.


Patrick

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