From: Patrick Ryan
Message: 52171
Date: 2008-02-02
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From: "fournet.arnaud" <fournet.arnaud@...>
To: <cybalist@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2008 1:09 AM
Subject: Re: Re: Re: Re: [tied] Nubia (WAS- Re: Limitations of the
comparative method)
> > ***
> > I repeat :
> > According to Loprieno's reconstructions,
> > > > Coptic : <noub> or <nouf> to be read [nuw]
> > > > Egyptian skeleton : n_b_w
> > > > Reconstruction : na:baw
> > > > Later on : [nu:b > nuw]
> > noub and nouf.
> >
> > Arnaud
> > =============
> 4. He does mention that in some dialects, <b> was written <ou>, normally
> [w] - usually initially. If Loprieno reflected on the perceived
> desirability
> for a spelling change on that order, he would perhaps have realized that
> if
> <b> were generally pronounced as [w] or [β], a change of spelling would
> have
> been _unnecessary_.
> 5. The final <b> in <noub> is not _ever_ written with <ou>.
> Conclusion, you are wrong on every count.
> Patrick
> =================
> I kindly remind you
> that Coptic is written with the Greek alphabet,
> urhh no, with the Greek "alfawet".
***
You do not need to remind me of anything. I studied several semesters of
Coptic at a recognized university for Oriental studies.
***
> At the time, Coptic existed,
> Greek Bêta is [w].
> When it comes to "some dialects",
> the word "star" is **always** siou.
> out of Egyptian s_b_3 "star".
> b is written -ou-
> As usual, you are incredibly over-assertive
> and under-informed.
> Arnaud
> =================
You might want to look at
http://www.biblicalgreek.org/links/pronunciation.php
Greek beta was possibly pronounced [β], a labial approximant rather than
[w].
In view of the modern pronunciation of it as [v], I am tempted to think it
was also [v] then.
How <siou> is written has not to do with the question of whether <nb(w)> was
ever pronounced as [nu:w]; the question is, was there ever a spelling of
[*nouou] to justify that surmise.
Patrick
***