Re: PIE-Arabic Correspondences (was Brugmann's Law)

----- Original Message -----

From: Rick McCallister

To: cybalist@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2008 7:30 PM

Subject: Re: Re: [tied] Re: PIE-Arabic Correspondences (was Brugmann's Law)

But you need to if you mistrust Ehret. At the least,
you need to list others' opinions. Otherwise you risk
being labled as another Merrit Ruhlen.
If you redo AA, it would strengthen your case.

--- Patrick Ryan <proto-language@ msn.com> wrote:

> I am not prepared to completely redo PAA which, in
> my view, would be required. Criticizing Ehret would
> require criticizing his whole system of PAA
> phonology, and I do not have the resources
> *reference books here at home) to do it, nor really
> the interest.
>
> I will look into Tamazight.
>
> Patrick
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Rick
> McCallister< mailto:gabaroo6958@ yahoo.com>
> To:
>
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> Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2008 7:18 PM
> Subject: Re: Re: [tied] Re: PIE-Arabic
> Correspondences (was Brugmann's Law)
>
>
> Yes, there are problems but at least cite Ehret
> and
> whoever else has done AA roots. If you disagree,
> say
> so and why. It will help your credibility.
> My understanding is that Arab loanwords come
> mainly
> from other AA languages (mainly Aramaic, Egyptian,
> Berber) and IE (mainly Persian, Greek and
> Romance).
> And that Romance, Egyptian and Berber loanwords
> tend
> to be regionalisms. Si if a word is Classical
> Arabic,
> check it against Aramaic, Persian and Greek. But
> if
> you're dealing with regionalisms such as
> burtuqal/burtu' an "orange", skwila "school",
> znafuria
> "carrot", it's probably a loanword
> But do at least look through Berber --there are
> Tamazight and other dictionaries online. There
> should
> be etymological dictionaries for Berber and Hausa,
> possibly for Somali, who knows for Omotic.
>
> --- Patrick Ryan
>
<proto-language@ msn.com<mailto:proto- language% 40msn.com> >
> wrote:
>
> > If we find a word in Arabic, we have two
> choices: 1)
> > to regard it is deriving from Semitic, or 2) to
> > regard it as a loanword. I think most would
> agree
> > that native words greatly outnumber loanwords,
> so it
> > is a fair presumption that the odds favor any
> Arabic
> > word being native, I.e. derived from Semitic.
> >
> > We have excellent Arabic dictionaries which
> > facilitate etymological comparisons.
> >
> > Unless we have good reason to label an Arabic
> word a
> > loanword, it is likely (but not certain) that
> the
> > word derives from Semitic.
> >
> > Our Egyptian sources are also well developed so
> that
> > it is often possible to match Egyptian and
> Arabic
> > words.
> >
> > Almost everyone agrees that the AA work that has
> > been done is highly unreliable so that
> comparisons
> > between PIE and PAA are not very feasible. I
> agree,
> > they would be most desirable; and if I could use
> > them, I would.
> >
> > As for Berber, is there a Berber etymological
> > dictionary which links Berber to either Arabic
> or
> > PAA? If there is, I do not know of it. Hence,
> Berber
> > is only a grace-note.
> >
> > With Cushitic, Omotic, and Chadic, I am afraid
> my
> > impression is that the proto-languages that have
> > been reconstructed are as questionable as the
> PAA
> > material. I could always be convinced otherwise,
> I
> > suppose.
> >
> > So, a comparison among PIE, Arabic, and Egyptian
> > seems most practical in view of the materials
> > available.
> >
> > Of course, I add Sumerian, which gives us some
> > insight into the original vowels.
> >
> > Patrick
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Rick
> >
>
McCallister< mailto:gabaroo6958@ yahoo.com<mailto:gabaroo6958 %40yahoo. com>>
>
> > To:
> >
>
>
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> >
> > Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2008 6:03 PM
> > Subject: Re: Re: [tied] Re: PIE-Arabic
> > Correspondences (was Brugmann's Law)
> >
> >
> > PIE Arabic is a waste of time --go back to AA
> and
> > you
> > can't find the AA root, at least give roots from
> > Semitic, Berber, Egyptian, Cushitic, Omotic and
> > Chadic. No one will take PIE Arabic seriously
> > unless
> > you're positing loanwords
> >
> > --- "fournet.arnaud"
> >
>
>
<fournet.arnaud@ wanadoo.fr<mailto:fournet. arnaud%40wanadoo .fr><mailto:fournet.arnaud@ wanadoo.fr<mailto:fournet. arnaud%40wanadoo .fr>>>
> > wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Patrick Ryan
> > > To:
> >
>
>
cybalist@... s.com<mailto:cybalist% 40yahoogroups. com><mailto: cybalist% 40yahoogroups. com>
> >
> > > Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2008 7:44 PM
> > > Subject: [Courrier indésirable] Re: [tied] Re:
> > > PIE-Arabic Correspondences (was Brugmann's
> Law)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I will add :
> > > sekw "to follow" = Arabic *saq
> > >
> > > ***
> > >
> > > There is _no_ *saq meaning 'follow' in
> standard
> > > Arabic.
> > > Patrick
> > > ***
> > >
> > > Very often, I wonder why such a level of
> > > incompetence is put up with on this forum.
> > > You claim proto-world- esque reconstructions
> > > but you don't even have a good Arabic
> dictionary
> > :
> > >
> > > Kazimirski tome 1 page 1167 :
> > > sâq : "suivre, aller à la suite ; se suivre
> les
> > > uns les autres"
> > >
> > > Arnaud
> > >
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> > >
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