Re: India first (Was: Etruscans)

Very beautifully put. I am enjoying your questions.

I think what you meant by open heart surgeries is open up somebody's heart to sacrifice it to the deity.  The main stream (aryan?) Indians do not follow this.

But Ramayana describes Ravana doing something exactly like this to please Lord Siva.  However, while Ravana is certainly is not on the side of Aindric tribes, he is also not a Daitya. He is an assuric brahmin.

Some of the puranas in retelling the folklore faithfully may have ascribed the Daityan practices to an Asura, since by puranic times an Asura is an Anti Indra force and hence, a bad guy and all these people- Danavas, Daityas, Raksasas and Some Assuric brahmins - were came to be referred as Asuras.

There are several other such instances, when the Daityas keep sacrificing their heads to the deity for whom they are conducting the penances. While the stories in which the deity appearing may be more mythological, what is more important to note is the  existence of such gory practices among daityas.

The practice of sacrifices continued into Aindric traditions- they sacrifice only animals and not humans (not withstanding one or two instances- for eg., ref the story of Sunashepa in the Rg Veda and puranas)- at their fire sacrifices, which is now totally stopped, except among some rural classes (who sacrifice animals before the deity and not in a fire altar and Tantriks as a part of their sadhana)

So far as the question of Iran/Iraq is concerned, I have a very long post in a group on locating the original flood area through puranas. I am afraid I will to search for it.

It will take some time, say 15 days or so, before I can repost the same here, if there are no objections.

kishore patnaik

On Jan 18, 2008 9:06 PM, ualarauans <ualarauans@...> wrote:

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "kishore patnaik"
<kishorepatnaik09@...> wrote:
>
> That Mayan has been influenced by several constructive elements of
India are beyond doubt.
>
> The main road blockers for such a theory however are found more
general views, which would not trace the origins of many cultural
aspects to India , due to the differences in chronological patterns.

It's not only chronology. It's the language, religion, architecture,
economics, anthropology, DNA etc etc things which tell us that there
was as much as no Indic influence in pre-Columbus Americas.

Just tell me – do you still practice in India open heart surgery to
honor your gods as Mayas did?

> If the genealogical chronology found in Indian scriptures is
accepted at least partially, the western scholar would notice that
the Indian culture has to be necessarily dated much earlier to many
of the ancient civilization and hence, he would agree that the
cultural constructive elements such as writing, star gazing, fire,
wheel and several other essential aspects were originally
contributed by Indian culture.

So you suggest we believe in Indian scriptures first and then bring
all our science in accordance with them? Why not believe in the
Bible that the Earth and all are less than 7000 years old?

> When I say Indian culture, it only means what has been given in
the scriptures. For eg., the puranas describe that ancient flood
has occurred in Iran Irag areas. Hence, while I describe this as
Indian history, the geographical limit has to be extended.

Somewhere it is said that everytime Brahma goes to sleep the
universe is destroyed and everytime he awakes he creates it anew
(details may be wrong but it works more or less in this way). I'm
just wondering, is it Indian history, too?