From: Patrick Ryan
Message: 51320
Date: 2008-01-16
----- Original Message -----From: fournet.arnaudSent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 1:32 PMSubject: Re: Re: Re: Re: [tied] Brugmann's Law
----- Original Message -----From: Patrick RyanSent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 8:10 PMSubject: [Courrier indésirable] Re: Re: Re: [tied] Brugmann's Law
----- Original Message -----From: fournet.arnaudSent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 12:11 PMSubject: Re: Re: Re: [tied] Brugmann's Law
I agree :some times you learn more about the author.What about :Arabic &aqrubGreek skorpion***What about it? ?aqrub is simply a noun form (?aCCuC) of the root q-r-b.PCR***I agree even moremost of the time you learn more about the author.Root q_r_b is the same as in (s-)k_r_pthe p in scorpion is another example of correspondence with -b-.That was what I meant.Arnaud============ ===(2)***The ultimate PIE root is *ka(:)r-, 'hard'; to it, either -*bhi, 'animal', or -*pi, 'insect', may be added as in *embhi-/*empi-.Semitic has chose -*bh(i); PIE has chosen -*pi in this word.They are related but only through *ka(:)r- probably because -*bh(Ii) was used for 'crab'.PCR***Arabic [?] "glottal stop" is one of the form of H2.And so are most glottalized emphatics of Semiticexcepted p? > PIE *b and t? fused with d > PIE *dAnd k? fused with *g.?ans "a man" = H2nerEtcThose who think H1 is [?] would better change their mindsas soon as possible.They are on the wrong track.Arnaud***There is no *H1, *H2, *H3 (nor *H4), IMHO.===========I don't understand this statementQuite obviously most IE languages keep traces of at least three different classes of phonemes, that have had different impacts on their surroundings :length, voice, color, tone, etc.============ ======The language from which PIE developed had four laryngeal/pharyngeals: /?/, /h/, /¿/, and /h./;============It had at least these.And some others."Laryngeals" is a misleading wordNot all disappeared phonemes are "laryngeal"they are functionally "laryngeal" but phoneticallythey are not "laryngeal".Arnaud(2)***What in Heaven's name is "functionally 'laryngeal'"?PCR***============ ========= ===and three vowels: /e/, /a/, /o/.=====ArnaudObviously wrong.[a] is just allophonic of /e/.or vice-versa.============ ==(2)***Wrong.PRE-PIE had three vowels: *e, *a:, and *o. All these vowels became the PIE Ablautvokal, *A, which appears in PIE as *e/*o/*ø, unless compensatorily lengthened.PIE *a is a shortened *a: else it would have become *A.***/?/ and /h/ and /h./ become PIE *H which lengthens the vowel, subsequently maintaining its quality. *e:, *a:, and *o: can subsequently be shortened./¿/ becomes *y but occasionally *ø with vowel lengthening.Initial *ø becomes /?/ in the Germanic branch of IE.Conventionally written *H2ner- derived from earlier **hano-r(o), 'strong' (Egyptian nr, 'fear inspiring').Patrick***==========This is non senseNot a word of it is worth consideringArnaud============ =(2)***A judgment of nonsense from a person who cannot spell the word is hardly confidence inspiring.Patrick***.