Re: IE & Uralic

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From: stlatos

To: cybalist@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2008 11:07 PM

Subject: [Courrier indésirable] [tied] Re: IE & Uralic

--- In cybalist@... s.com, "fournet.arnaud" <fournet.arnaud@ ...>
wrote:
>
> I definitely disagree.
> The word Mord- (in Mordvin)
> and ud-murt possibly from *anta-mart-
> are obvious and known loanwords from Iranian.
> Another word in Mordvin is mirde "husband"
>
> A loanword like mantya should be **mez- not magy-ar
> Hungarian gy usually stems from dzh as in job=dzhob
> as shown by numerous Turcic loanwords.
> You need to start with something like *mandza or *mandzha
> there is no reason to suppose this is a loanword from Baltic
> It definitely looks like an inherited word.
> And How could such a loanword end up in Ugric ?
>
> Arnaud

The loan was from Baltic to Proto-Uralic or some similar stage. The
point is this is not just a Hungarian word.

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Arnaud

It 's getting from bad to outrageously absurd.

*Mandz(h) need not be a loan in the first place.

And there is no problem deriving Finnish mies from *mandz-i

with a typical Finnish addition of -i, that causes umlaut.

 

And least of all a loan from Baltic into Proto-Uralic !

They were not even in contact.

The assertion that *mandz is a loanword is not even proved by any incoherence within Finno-Ugric data.

The derivation from Baltic *mantya is impossible for all words

and the presence of this Baltic word in Ugric is just absurd.

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