Re: IE & Uralic

I definitely disagree.

The word Mord- (in Mordvin)

and ud-murt possibly from *anta-mart-

are obvious and known loanwords from Iranian.

Another word in Mordvin is mirde "husband"

A loanword like mantya should be **mez- not magy-ar

Hungarian gy usually stems from dzh as in job=dzhob

as shown by numerous Turcic loanwords.

You need to start with something like *mandza or *mandzha

there is no reason to suppose this is a loanword from Baltic

It definitely looks like an inherited word.

And How could such a loanword end up in Ugric ?

Arnaud

----- Original Message -----

From: stlatos

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Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2008 11:40 PM

Subject: [Courrier indésirable] [tied] Re: IE & Uralic

--- In cybalist@... s.com, "fournet.arnaud" <fournet.arnaud@ ...>
wrote:
>
> Maagyar (long a) is usually linked to :
> Finnish mies "man" and
> Ugric mans "self-name of Ostyak and Vogul"
> it can be *mandz-
> I can't see how to derivate *mord- from *mandz
> Arnaud
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Rick McCallister
> To: cybalist@... s.com
> Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 9:34 PM
> Subject: Re: [Courrier indésirable] [tied] Re: IE & Uralic

*maNtya- 'man' was borrowed from a word in an IE language (probably
Baltic) cognate to Slavic *moNgyo-, Skt manus.a-, etc.

Dissimilation of two nasals (m-n > m-r) accounts for the dif.;
there's no reason to add Iranian *martya- to the mix.

Hungarian voiced the stop after a nasal so a voiced obs. in the
proto-language isn't necessary.