Re: IE & Uralic

So, Slavic was a kind of convergence? Were they
originally an elite group ike the Turks who marched
out over the plain and incorporated substrate from
Baltic, Germanic, et al?
I've also read of the Ante and Venedii (sp?) and of
Iranian influence --especially on the Ante.

--- george knysh <gknysh@...> wrote:

>
> --- Rick McCallister <gabaroo6958@...> wrote:
>
> > My understanding is that Baltic languages were
> once
> > spoken in what's now Moscow.
>
> ****GK: There was back and forth movement here. An
> early IE spread (Fatyanovo et al.) was pushed back
> by
> Uralics, then there was another Baltic push eastward
> in the early AD.****
>
> If so, Baltic would
> > have
> > formed a buffer between the Slavs and Uralic
> > speakers,
>
> ****GK: And a very large one.****
>
> > So there probably was a Uralic substrate in the
> > Baltic
> > substrate of Eastern Slavic.
>
> ****GK: Perhaps more than one.****
>
> > So the old consensus of the Slavs coming out of
> the
> > Pripyat is no longer common?
>
> ****GK: The most interesting recent theory is that
> of
> Shchukin. He thinks the Slavs self-constituted ca.
> 50-250 AD in the East Baltic areas north of the
> Prypjat' and Desna. One of the thoughts I had in
> this
> connection is that the significant so-called
> "Gothic"
> words present in Old Common Slavic might have
> actually
> been the contribution of the Bastarnae (this is yet
> unverified). Shchukin accepts the view that
> Bastarnae
> were an important component of Slavic
> ethnogenesis.****
>
>
>
>
>

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