The Beinlich list search referenced below does produce xft, 'face'
BUT NOT xf, 'pot'!
Therefore, "There is no xf, '...pot'", is perfectly correct.
The Beinlich list search below does _not_ produce xf, 'face'!
Therefore, "There is no xf, 'face...'" is perfectly correct.
A little due diligence on xft, 'face', shows it is a word of _rare_
occurrence listed in Wörterbuch with a question mark (?), indicating the authors
had doubts as to the exact meaning of the word. This word, whatever its exact
meaning may be for the Late Period, is not attested before Late Egyptian
(!), which hardly allows it to be considered in very early and highly
speculative comparisons.
The normal Old, Middle, and Late Egyptian word for 'face' is Hr. An entry
that does occur is xft-Hr, 'in front of, in the presence of'; probably,
literally 'at the front and face of ...'. If xft meant 'face', this expression
would be ridiculously redundant; and it is certain that the sign for Hr is _not_
merely a determinative of xft because it has the short horizontal stroke marking
an ideograph - something never occurring with determinatives.
I do not doubt that 'face' and 'front' are, at least, similar semantically
but a careful writer should beable to distinguish them. The Erman-Grapow guess
at 'face' for xft for Late Egyptian should probably be regarded as simply
another usage of '(what is in) front'.
To sum up, my message was entirely justified and accurate.
And I discount, as did Erman-Grapow, the source for
Beinlich's xf(.)t='face', xf(.)t in the meaning 'face' when simply 'front'
will adequately suffice in the circumstances.
Patrick
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Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 3:45
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Subject: Re: [tied] Cluster kp- in
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--- In cybalist@... s.com,
"Patrick Ryan" <proto-language@ ...>
wrote:
>
> There
is _no_ Egyptian xf, 'face, pot'.
>
>
Patrick
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Arnaud
It seems 2008 is not the year when you will
stop
making heavy pronouncements that something does not exist
because
*you* have been *unable* to find it.
http://www.newton. cam.ac.uk/ cgi/ncs3/ bsearch.pl
xf-t
: Gesicht = face
-t is the feminine marker.
Various derivatives like
"temples", etc
Variant form : xp-t
Also used as a preposition : xft :
"in front of"
Arnaud
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