Re: who are indus people?

From: Kishore patnaik
Message: 51050
Date: 2007-12-31

Dear group,

Forgive me for my ignorance but are we coming to conclusions based on
the current meanings of the words? I am not sure we can do so, if that
is what we are doing.

For eg. recently I have initiated a long discussion on the horoscope
of Rama in various groups of Vedic astrology.

Valmiki has used the word Vakpati , which currently means Lord of
voice or Lord of words which is invariably Mercury (from Indian
astrological point of view)

However, Valmiki has used it in the meaning of Veda, which in fact, he
has used it elsewhere also and in astrology, Lord of Vedas(or
spiritual knowledge) is Jupiter. you can also ref Br. Up which
discusses this- Brhit is a meter which includes Anushtup and the Lord
of Brhit is Jupiter and hence, he becomes the Vakpati. (VAchaspati is
another such word)

I am quoting this example simply to drive home that we can not derive
meanings of the erstwhile words based on the current meanings- which I
thought is being done here. May be I am mistaken.

regards,
Kishore patnaik
98492 70729

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "afyangh" <fournet.arnaud@...> wrote:
>
> ka:n.a_ means squint eyed in Marathi and Hindi. n and retroflex n are
> spontaneously altered in Sanskrit without the necessity of their being
> loans from Munda or Dravidian. See for example
> > >
> > > > "Spontaneous Cerebrals in Sanskrit
> > > > T. Burrow
> > > > Bulletin of the School of Oriental and African Studies,
> University of
> > > > London, Vol. 34, No. 3 (1971), pp. 538-559
> > > > This article consists of 22 page(s).
> >
> > > Admittedly that opens up the notion that ka:n.a comes from
> > > something like PIE **kalna or **kWolna. The nearest I can see for
> > > this is _kiNa_ 'corn, callosity' from PIE *kal 'hard'
> >
> > Probably from PIE *kar+ 'bent, rough, hard'; *kr,n.�s > Latin
> > cornus, *kr,n.�H > Middle Indic kin.a-.
> >
> > I have no reason to think ka:n.a- came from PIE.
> ======
> Arnaud
> What about good old PIE H-kw "eye" ?
> Latin oculus
> Greek ophthalmos
> ka:na < *kalna from *Hkwol-n- (ln > retroflex n)
> with a particular semantic development : eye > squint-eye.
> I see no reason to think ka:na cannot be from PIE.
> Arnaud
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>