--- "afyangh" <fournet.arnaud@...> wrote:
>[RW] Stlatos wrote:
>>[RW] Richard Wordingham wrote:
>>>[RW] mkelkar2003 wrote:
Please heed Technical Recommendation 4: "When responding to others'
postings, quote only those fragments of the original message that you
want to reply to. In particular, do not quote whole threads. Make sure
that the quotations are properly marked, so that one can easily see
who wrote what." - RW.
On cerebral nasals without obvious conditioning factors:
>>> Admittedly that opens up the notion that ka:n.a comes from
>>> something like PIE **kalna or **kWolna. The nearest I can see for
>>> this is _kiNa_ 'corn, callosity' from PIE *kal 'hard'
>> Probably from PIE *kar+ 'bent, rough, hard'; *kr,n.ós > Latin
>> cornus, *kr,n.áH > Middle Indic kin.a-.
1. Isn't that rather Latin *cornus? Are you rejecting the idea that
Latin _cornu:_ 'horn' comes from *k^erh2, or merely suggesting that
two words have become part of a polysemous whole?
2. Are you saying that Sanskrit words such as _kin.a_ and _hud.a_,
_hud.u_ 'ram' (< *g^Hl.da, f. *g^Hel 'to cut', with shift from
'castrated male' to 'uncastrated male') are actually borrowings from
Middle Indic?
>> I have no reason to think ka:n.a- came from PIE.
Arnaud wrote:
> What about good old PIE H-kw "eye" ?
> Latin oculus
> Greek ophthalmos
> ka:na < *kalna from *Hkwol-n- (ln > retroflex n)
> with a particular semantic development : eye > squint-eye.
> I see no reason to think ka:na cannot be from PIE.
When citing Sanskrit, please take the trouble to distinguish cerebrals
from dentals. Capitalising, pre-dotting and post-dotting are the
usual conventions - but please don't mix the latter two.
I hadn't believed ln > n. (l.n > n. looked credible, though).
However, I just stumbled over this entry in Pokorny under root #879
*kel 'to stick, to sting':
"kol-no-s in ai. ka:n.á-h. `durchstochen, durchlöchert, einäugig'
(*kolno-; zum a: vgl. Wackernagel Ai. Gr. I 168) = air. (acymr.?) coll
`luscum, einäugig', mir. (mit sekundärer Media) goll `blind';
ablautend gr. 'kellás monóphthalmos' Hes."
It would be good to hear from Michael Witzel himself about this word,
but I believe he has yet to post to this forum.
Richard.