From: tgpedersen
Message: 50853
Date: 2007-12-10
>What do you think of the name Thuringia? cf
> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "tgpedersen" <tgpedersen@> wrote:
> >
> >
> > > There's an article by Tomasz Czarnecki dealing with Gothic loans
> in
> > > Polish [http://www.fh.ug.gda.pl/images/Czarnecki.pdf%5d. He lists
> > > Polish Gdan'sk and Torun' under the category of "mögliche
> > > Entlehnungsfälle" (pp. 11-13). Now if these settlement names are
> > > indeed Gothic, they must have survived the later Slavic
> colonization
> > > of what is now
> > > Poland.
> >
> > The question was whether we should expect there to be -leben on
> Polish
> > territory. I don't think the presence of two possible surviving
> > Germanic placenames forces us to expect that.
>
> I agree.
>
> > As for Torun´, it might have to do with the many Tor-/Tur- names in
> > the rest of Europe, and thus be pre-Germanic (experience advises me
> > against venturing into speculations again about the god Þórr being
> > earlier than Odin).
>
> The explanation of Torun' from (East) Germanic cited by T. Czarnecki
> is rather obscure as Piotr has pointed out. Probably you are right
> about some other source for the Polish toponym. The name of Thor can
> be reconstructed for Gothic as *Þunrs or something like that. No
> traces of a dropped nasal (and why?) in Torun' as far as I can see.
> Or should we assume a metathesis of some sort? *þunaraz > *torunI? I
> think all this is very very shaky, to say the least.
>