Re: Anser (was: swallow vs. nighingale)

----- Original Message -----

From: Rick McCallister

To: cybalist@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2007 11:15 PM

Subject: Re: Re: [tied] Anser (was: swallow vs. nighingale)

And the southern end of the Yenessei is the original
home of Ket et al. So are you linking Sino-Tibetan &
Uralic to Yenesseian?

--- "fournet.arnaud" <fournet.arnaud@ wanadoo.fr>
wrote:

> Arnaud to Torsten,
>
> One reference is interesting as far as I am
> concerned :
>
http://tech. groups.yahoo. com/group/ cybalist/ message/42758
>
> I disagree with the idea that SiChuan is the
> homeland of Tibeto-Birman,
> for at least two reasons :
> 1. I do not believe Tibeto-Birman is a legitimate
> family,
> 2. Next, I think Uralic is the closest parent to
> Tibetan and Chinese,
> even though this statement requires documentation.
> I believe Tibetan and Uralic originate in the
> southern basin of Ob and Ienissei Rivers.
>
> I have previously discussed the word "egg" :
> Chinese dan4 < *tox-an
> Micro-burmese *tuj < *tox
> Compare Hungarian toj-ash "egg" < *tox
>
> Arnaud
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: tgpedersen
> To: cybalist@... s.com
> Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2007 12:54 PM
> Subject: [Courrier indésirable] Re: [tied] Anser
> (was: swallow vs. nighingale)
>
>
> --- In cybalist@... s.com, "fournet.arnaud"
> <fournet.arnaud@ ...>
> wrote:
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: tgpedersen
> > To: cybalist@... s.com
> > Sent: Friday, November 30, 2007 1:29 AM
> > Subject: [Courrier indésirable] Re: [tied] Anser
> (was: swallow vs.
> nighingale)
> >
> >
> >
> > How do you know that?
> >
> > Myself, I think there was some kind of sea-born
> trade with SEAsia
> > going on them, possibly around Africa, which
> accounts for these words
> > as loanwords from SEAsia.
> >
> > You will enjoy these:
> > http://www.angelfir e.com/rant/ tgpedersen/ Op.html
> >
> http://www.angelfir e.com/rant/ tgpedersen/ Opr.html
> >
> > Torsten
> > =========
> >
> > A.F :
> >
> > I agree some words in PAA are loanwords from SE
> Asia,
> > especially : kl_b "dog"
> > But I do not think *p_l is a loanword from SE
> Asia.
> > I was disappointed by your references : nothing
> about "full"
> > I suppose something went wrong when giving the
> references.
>
> There are a few references in the bottom. But
> you're right, here is
> the real reference:
> http://www.angelfir e.com/rant/ tgpedersen/ pl.html
>
> The whole area of 'manifestations' of *p-l- etc
> suffers from what I
> unsavourily referred to as the spittoon problem
>
>
http://tech. groups.yahoo. com/group/ cybalist/ message/8719
>
> which is why the way I've divided up the whole
> field into roots is
> somewhat arbitrary, here's another part of it:
> http://www.angelfir e.com/rant/ tgpedersen/ bHrl.html
>
> On the origin of these terms, this is relevants:
>
>
http://tech. groups.yahoo. com/group/ cybalist/ message/45555
> What I think happened is that some type of early
> geometry, a theory of
> weights and measures, was developed in China or
> environs (as much as
> early agriculture needed, with fixed boundaries
> between pieces of
> land), and that it was exported, and with it the
> various words.
> You might want to read the article I refer to. It
> is
> Matisoff, James A.:
> 1988. "Universal semantics and allofamic
> identification -- two
> Sino-Tibetan case-studies: STRAIGHT / FLAT / FULL
> and PROPERTY /
> LIVESTOCK / TALENT."
> In Akihiro Sato, ed.,
> Languages and History in East Asia, pp. 3-14.
> Kyoto: Shokado.
>
> Also
>
>
http://tech. groups.yahoo. com/group/ cybalist/ message/42758
>
>
http://tech. groups.yahoo. com/group/ cybalist/ message/43973
>
> Torsten
>
>
>
>

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