Fournet:
I am not sure what you mean by a "super-cognate" but *p_l is, most
certainly, not one.
If we look to languages like KhoiSan, for example, we should _not_ expect
to find roots of the form *CVC which correspond with PAA (and through it, PIE)
and Sino-Caucasian roots. KhoiSan broke away too early for *CVCV stems to have
been formulated. The best we might be able to do is find simple monosyllables
with a fairly straightforward meaning like **ma: (from *MHA), 'ripe and full',
that are only an element in *CVC roots.
With PAA (especially Semitic) and PIE, which were in contact, we might be
able to find a few *CVCC correspondences but supposing that "Hafil" corresponds
to PIE *pleH- is amateurish. The PAA biliteral roots that developed into
triliteral roots did not do so by prefixing H but rather by suffixation and
gemination. If you do not (apparently) know this, you should read up on the
subject before recklessly tossing out obvious nonsensicalities.
As it happens, there is an Arabic word which in one of its stem forms _may_
possibly be compared with PIE *pleH-, namely ?aflaHa, 'prosperous'/fala:H-un,
'prosperity', by way of 'provided with abundance/fullness'. The root here,
for your instruction, is f-l-H.
There is no "H1" in Egyptian, hieroglyphic or otherwise. In any case, if
there were really an Egyptian cognate of *pel(H)-, it would appear in Egyptian
as *fn(j).
There is, in fact, a cognate with the root of PIE *pne-u-: fn, 'pant, be
weak'; and fnD, 'nose'.
Patrick Ryan
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Subject: Re: Re: [tied] Anser (was:
swallow vs. nighingale)
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> > A.F :
> > > pling : full => Cf. PIE
pel(H1/w)
> > > It is quite clear that these words are cognates
not loanwords.
> > > They had more than one syllable in ST
before the "crunch".
==
I think they are borrowed either into
both Old Chinese and
PIE from some unrelated language geographically in
between them, or
into PIE from some early predecessor of Chinese.
Torsten
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A.F
What about :
Yukaghir pojo- : a lot (l > yod is regular in Siberian
languages)
Niger Touareg : balal : full, abundant (this language has no b/p
contrast)
Arabic : Hafil : full (note that H1 is initial in Arabic not final
: pel-H1-)
Hieroglyphic Egyptian (with vowels) : Hipu:lil : abondant (H1
initial)
There is no alternative to super-cognate status for root
*p_l : full, abundant.
NB : Uralic forms pal/pol are tainted by PIE and I disagree they may be
cognates.
They are at best cognates, secondarily tainted by IE words, or IE
loanwords.