Re: Anser (was: swallow vs. nighingale)

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From: tgpedersen

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Subject: [Courrier indésirable] [Courrier indésirable] Re: [tied] Anser (was: swallow vs. nighingale)

> > A.F :
> > > pling : full => Cf. PIE pel(H1/w)
> > > It is quite clear that these words are cognates not loanwords.
> > > They had more than one syllable in ST before the "crunch".
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 I think they are borrowed either into both Old Chinese and
PIE from some unrelated language geographically in between them, or
into PIE from some early predecessor of Chinese.

Torsten

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A.F

What about :

Yukaghir pojo- : a lot (l > yod is regular in Siberian languages)

Niger Touareg : balal : full, abundant (this language has no b/p contrast)

Arabic : Hafil : full (note that H1 is initial in Arabic not final : pel-H1-)

Hieroglyphic Egyptian (with vowels) : Hipu:lil : abondant (H1 initial)

 

There is no alternative to super-cognate status for root *p_l : full, abundant.

 

NB : Uralic forms pal/pol are tainted by PIE and I disagree they may be cognates.

They are at best cognates, secondarily tainted by IE words, or IE loanwords.

Arnaud

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