From: Rick McCallister
Message: 50621
Date: 2007-11-27
> Master Fournet:cybalist@yahoogroups.com<mailto:cybalist@yahoogroups.com>
>
> "too old to be precocious"? Well, how old are you?
>
> "more than one academic qualification"? Well, what
> are they?
>
> No answer will brand you as shameful at answering
> either question.
>
> I do dare to explicitly state my academic
> qualifications.
>
> B.A. in German (minor French) from the University of
> Nebraska. 2 years of graduate study (Middle Eastern
> Studies) at the University of Chicago.
>
> 56 years of self-study of linguistics.
>
> I have a website with a great deal of material,
> accessible to anyone, and open to peer criticism
> (which I have incorporated when it was not
> frivolous) at proto-language.com.
>
> What have you got besides a few emails?
>
>
> Patrick Ryan
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From:
> fournet.arnaud<mailto:fournet.arnaud@...>
> To:
>
>cybalist@yahoogroups.com<mailto:cybalist@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 1:13 PM
> Subject: Re: Re:Re: Re: [tied] Anser (was: swallow
> vs. nighingale)
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Patrick
> Ryan<mailto:proto-language@...>
> To:
>
>cybalist@yahoogroups.com<mailto:cybalist@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 4:52 PM
> Subject: Re: Re:Re: Re: [tied] Anser (was:
> swallow vs. nighingale)
>
>
>
> Master Fournet:
>
> I am changing my mode of address since your last
> few posts have convinced me that you are a
> precocious child with no academic qualifications
> whatsoever and little self-confidence.
> =============
> A.F
> Sorry,
> but I am too old to be a precocious child.
> And I am too young to be Fu-Gong : Master Fu.
> I don't plan to become a JeDi.
> And You misinterpreted my last mails
> I have more than one academic qualification,
> And by the way,
> you asked me about mine
> but you have not dare talk about yours.
> I may have too much self-confidence,
> this is one of my bad habits.
> Here again you fail to understand what's up.
> ===========
>
> I last looked at Sino-Tibetan about 10 years
> ago. Neither Starostin nor Matisoff were then
> available to me. I had to rely on Karlgren, and I
> believe the progress since his theories has been
> stupendous.
> =======
> A.F
> Not that much stupendous.
> Basically the same damn old thing painted a
> different color.
> ==============
>
> I confess it does seem like a Christmas gift to
> know that Matisoff's work is now easily available;
> and I have ordered his book from Amazon ($95).
>
> As for determining the quality of the missing
> vowels, the premise of my work is that through
> semantic and phonological analysis, the meanings of
> the earliest monosyllables of the *CV can be
> determined. Although PIE shows only *e among the
> short vowels (*CéC), other related languages have
> retained the vowel quality (mostly): Sumerian has
> i/a/u. And Egyptian differentiated between PAA a/i
> and u by different signs: p = ba/e; f = bo. Even
> where an exact cognate is not present, semantically
> related forms can help to determine the the earliest
> vowel. PIE offers to helps: velar stops before *E
> become palatal; and a few long vowels (*e:, *a: *o:)
> point to the earlier vowel quality. In fact, PIE *a
> only exists as a reduction from *a:.
>
> Through these and other languages, it can be
> determined that Proto-Language *PHA has, among other
> semantically related meanings, the meaning
> 'flat(ten)'.
>
> Similarly, it can be determined that *PHO has
> the meaning 'cause one's self to swell up, become
> full'.
>
> Also, the appropriate monosyllable base for
> 'fire' is *PFHE, 'send out sparks'.
>
> I assume that the language which connects
> Sino-Tibetan with PAA (and through it, PIE) had
> reached, at least predominantly, the compounding
> stage of development: *CVC(V).
>
> Whether additional root extensions happened in
> that language (Sino-Caucasian?) or some other, *pal
> preceded *p(a)ling, *pol *p(o)leng, and *p(e)wa:r.
>
> I believe your comparison (or Matisoff's) of
> *prut with *bhereu- is probably better compared with
> *preu-t-, based on *PHO again (*p(o)reu-t-).
>
> I have no thoughts at this time on the missing
> vowel of *pral.
> ==========
> A.F
> All these lines mean nothing.
> bla bla bla.
> You have provided nothing as usual.
> Obscure wording is neither proof nor data.
>
> ==============
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From:
> fournet.arnaud<mailto:fournet.arnaud@...>
> To:
>
>cybalist@yahoogroups.com<mailto:cybalist@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 11:59 PM
> Subject: Re:Re: Re: [tied] Anser (was: swallow
> vs. nighingale)
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Patrick
> Ryan<mailto:proto-language@...>
> To:
>
>cybalist@yahoogroups.com<mailto:cybalist@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 8:44 PM
> Subject: [Courrier indésirable] Re: Re:
> [tied] Anser (was: swallow vs. nighingale)
>
>
>
> CORRECTION
>
> *paleng, *poling
>
> Patrick Ryan
> ===============
>
> A.F
> Christmas day is near. And you sound like a
> little boy happy with a new toy.
>
> What makes you so confident you can find the
> missing vowels ?
>
> And which proto-language are paleng and
> poling ?
>
> =====================
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Patrick
> Ryan<mailto:proto-language@...>
> To:
>
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> Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 1:41 PM
> Subject: Re: Re: [tied] Anser (was:
> swallow vs. nighingale)
>