Re: "As"

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From: Richard Wordingham

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Sent: Monday, October 22, 2007 9:12 PM

Subject: [Courrier indésirable] [tied] Re: "As"

--- In cybalist@... s.com, "fournet.arnaud" <fournet.arnaud@ ...>
wrote:

> Pt 2 :
> As regards YueZhi :
> another name is RouZhi < *njaw- instead of *ngjaw.

Now, Tocharian does have initial /ñ/, and in inherited words to boot:
Tocharian A and B _ñu_ 'nine' and A _ñom_ B _ñem_ 'name'.

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A.F

What would njawtsix mean in Tokharian ?

And how do you explain that ngjawtsix also exists ?

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FWIW, there's a Proto-Tibetan- Burmese reconstruction *g-nis for 'two',
and the Chinese reflexes include platal and velar nasals.

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A.F

I don't believe in the proto-Tibetan-Burmese thing.

It is easier to find words in common between Tibetan and English than it is between Tibetan and Burmese.

I know Chinese reflexes to be palatal ny or plain nasal n.

Which dialects are velar !?

Please substantiate "include velar nasals". (Plural + velar)

From Starostin :

Modern (Beijing) reading: èr

Preclassic Old Chinese: nijs

Classic Old Chinese: nić

Western Han Chinese: njǝś

Eastern Han Chinese: ńǝś

Early Postclassic Chinese: ńiś

Middle Postclassic Chinese: ńìj

Late Postclassic Chinese: ńì

Middle Chinese: ńì

English meaning : two

Russian meaning[s]: 1) два; второй; 2) двойной; дважды; 3) второй номер, помощник

Comments: For early OC a reconstruction *nit-s is also possible. Viet. has an interesting opposition: nhị 'two' - nhì 'second' - the basis for it within Chinese is not clear. For *n- cf. Xiamen ʒi⁶, li⁶, Chaozhou zi⁶, Fuzhou ne⁶, Jianou ni⁶.

 

What does FWIW mean ?

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Tocharian
does have words in kn-, e.g. _kna:_ 'know'.

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A.F

Admittedly it makes sense, Do you have a Proto-Tibetan- Burmese reconstruction starting with k-n ?

You gave (possible) examples of gn-, what about k-n !?

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Richard.