Re: [tied] Renfrew's theory renamed as Vasco-Caucasian

For some strange reason, some loanwords that are
reputedly Etruscan have voiced stops: balteus, subulo.
I don't know if the Romans saw the Etruscan dichotomy
of aspirated and non-aspirated unvoiced stops and
tried to parallel it with their own dichotomy of
voiced vs. unvoiced.
The long vowel could possibly represent the strong
initial stress in Etruscan.
Regarding relationship with Basque, Moretti and his
crew see Etruscan as related to Basque.
I plead ignorance on all counts.
Fill me in gentlemen --and any ladies present. And by
the way, why don't I see any women on this list?


--- "fournet.arnaud" <fournet.arnaud@...>
wrote:

>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Rick McCallister
> To: cybalist@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 10:55 PM
> Subject: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: [tied]
> Renfrew's theory renamed as Vasco-Caucasian
>
>
> I've read that Latin i:dus is a loanword. Some
> claim
> it's from Etruscan.
>
> ===============
>
> A.F
>
> Meillet rejects the hypothesis inherited from some
> Roman grammairians that it is a loanwords from
> Etruscan. See the Dictionnaire étymologique de la
> langue latine.
>
> I think he is right to reject this idea.
>
> i:du:s with two longs vowels and a voiced -d-
> doesn't look like a possible Etruscan word. And
> Basque has -l- in this word not -d- (=PIE).
>
> ===========
>
>
> Sanskrit ni:ra --is this the same as Hindi nil
> "blue"?
>
> --- "fournet.arnaud" <fournet.arnaud@...>
> wrote:
>
> > I will get back to what really matters : DATA.
> >
> > My point of view : I have already made clear.
> >
> > Point 1 :
> > PIE inherited a set of four vowels :
> > *i *u *a (written as <e> by tradition) *o
> >
> > Point 2 :
> > Innovative morphological processes within PIE
> > have lead to a situation where :
> > 1. vowel *i and consonant *y
> > 2. vowel *u and consonant *w
> > about function in the same way.
> >
> > (And this applies to many Chamito-Semitic
> languages
> > as well)
> > ============
> > Point 1 is demonstrated by :
> >
> > A : root y_d "full" moon
> > Basque (h)il
> > Latin i:d-u:s
> > Egyptian yid-aH
> >
> > Basque never treats *i as -y-.
> > A clear case of vowel *i.
> >
> > B : root n_y_l "night"
> > Sanscrit ni:ra
> > Arabic layla.
> >
> > In Arabic, Point 2 also applies
> > but Sanscrit has no historical process
> > that could explain why a short *i could become
> long
> > i:
> > So we are sure that in this root we are dealing
> with
> > *-y- not *i
> >
> > A case of vowel *i, unexplainable otherwise.
> >
> > the rare scheme *i_a is an archaic variant of
> *o_a,
> > exceedingly rare in PIE but frequent in
> > Chamito-Semitic.
> >
> > C
> > a lot of Greek lexemata :
> > i-kn-u / i-gn-u / i-skh-nos / i-khthu:s / etc
> > ===
> > All these data have *i and *u as vowels not
> > consonants.
> >
> > ==============
> > Next :
> >
> > Gotic has the word
> > tr-u-dan : to tread (Streitberg 1920 : page 302
> > "treten)
> >
> > How do you account for the fact that this Gotic
> word
> > OBVIOUSLY is from root *tr_d, with -u- as vowel.
> >
> > Streitberg calls this : "unreg. Ablaut"
> > This is a hole in the orthodox theory of PIE
> > apophony.
> >
> > Neither Gotic nor Greek abide by the orthodox
> > theory.
> >
> > =================
> >
> > Somebody previously wrote : "we know who is who
> > around here".
> >
> > I am confident that in a very near future,
> > people will be able to tell who actually
> >
> > "knows nothing and only writes for an excuse to
> > insult with his very dull wit."
> >
> > I am not afraid about the ultimate judgment that
> > will come from this polemic,
> > So far, I have provided many examples, in favor
> of
> > my point of view,
> > I am confident that in the end, people will
> judge
> > facts and data.
> >
> > My point of view is clear
> > and so are my examples.
> >
> > I have already won the fight, and you have lost,
> >
> > The End.
> > =======================
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Patrick Ryan
> > To: cybalist@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 3:32 AM
> > Subject: [Courrier indésirable] Re: Re: Re: Re:
> > Re: Re: [tied] Renfrew's theory renamed as
> > Vasco-Caucasian
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: fournet.arnaud
> > To: cybalist@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2007 3:49 PM
> > Subject: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: [tied]
> > Renfrew's theory renamed as Vasco-Caucasian
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Patrick Ryan
> > To: cybalist@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2007 4:30 PM
> > Subject: [Courrier indésirable] Re: Re: Re:
> > Re: Re: [tied] Renfrew's theory renamed as
> > Vasco-Caucasian
> >
> >
> >
> > ***
> >
> > What has been "killed" is the expectation that
> > Arnaud has any understanding of the meaning of
> > 'verbal'.
> >
> > ===================
> > A.F
> >
> > Most roots cannot be separated as verbal or
> > nominal.
> >
> > ***
> >
> > A statement that is ignorance personified.
> >
> > In any case, it is certainly not true of PIE,
> >
> > PCR
> > ***
> > What is more : in most cases,
> > it is the vocalic scheme that gives the final
> > grammatical status to
> > the compound : Consonant root + Vocalic
> > scheme.
> >
> > It is true with PIE :
> > dh_H1 + vowel /e/ = a verb
> > dh_H1 + vowel /o/ = a noun.
>

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