Re: [tied] Renfrew's theory renamed as Vasco-Caucasian

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From: Rick McCallister

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Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 10:55 PM

Subject: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: [tied] Renfrew's theory renamed as Vasco-Caucasian

I've read that Latin i:dus is a loanword. Some claim
it's from Etruscan.

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A.F

Meillet rejects the hypothesis inherited from some Roman grammairians that it is a loanwords from Etruscan. See the Dictionnaire étymologique de la langue latine.

I think he is right to reject this idea.

i:du:s with two longs vowels and a voiced -d- doesn't look like a possible Etruscan word. And Basque has -l- in this word not -d- (=PIE).

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Sanskrit ni:ra --is this the same as Hindi nil "blue"?

--- "fournet.arnaud" <fournet.arnaud@ wanadoo.fr>
wrote:

> I will get back to what really matters : DATA.
>
> My point of view : I have already made clear.
>
> Point 1 :
> PIE inherited a set of four vowels :
> *i *u *a (written as <e> by tradition) *o
>
> Point 2 :
> Innovative morphological processes within PIE
> have lead to a situation where :
> 1. vowel *i and consonant *y
> 2. vowel *u and consonant *w
> about function in the same way.
>
> (And this applies to many Chamito-Semitic languages
> as well)
> ============
> Point 1 is demonstrated by :
>
> A : root y_d "full" moon
> Basque (h)il
> Latin i:d-u:s
> Egyptian yid-aH
>
> Basque never treats *i as -y-.
> A clear case of vowel *i.
>
> B : root n_y_l "night"
> Sanscrit ni:ra
> Arabic layla.
>
> In Arabic, Point 2 also applies
> but Sanscrit has no historical process
> that could explain why a short *i could become long
> i:
> So we are sure that in this root we are dealing with
> *-y- not *i
>
> A case of vowel *i, unexplainable otherwise.
>
> the rare scheme *i_a is an archaic variant of *o_a,
> exceedingly rare in PIE but frequent in
> Chamito-Semitic.
>
> C
> a lot of Greek lexemata :
> i-kn-u / i-gn-u / i-skh-nos / i-khthu:s / etc
> ===
> All these data have *i and *u as vowels not
> consonants.
>
> ============ ==
> Next :
>
> Gotic has the word
> tr-u-dan : to tread (Streitberg 1920 : page 302
> "treten)
>
> How do you account for the fact that this Gotic word
> OBVIOUSLY is from root *tr_d, with -u- as vowel.
>
> Streitberg calls this : "unreg. Ablaut"
> This is a hole in the orthodox theory of PIE
> apophony.
>
> Neither Gotic nor Greek abide by the orthodox
> theory.
>
> ============ =====
>
> Somebody previously wrote : "we know who is who
> around here".
>
> I am confident that in a very near future,
> people will be able to tell who actually
>
> "knows nothing and only writes for an excuse to
> insult with his very dull wit."
>
> I am not afraid about the ultimate judgment that
> will come from this polemic,
> So far, I have provided many examples, in favor of
> my point of view,
> I am confident that in the end, people will judge
> facts and data.
>
> My point of view is clear
> and so are my examples.
>
> I have already won the fight, and you have lost,
>
> The End.
> ============ ========= ==
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Patrick Ryan
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> Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 3:32 AM
> Subject: [Courrier indésirable] Re: Re: Re: Re:
> Re: Re: [tied] Renfrew's theory renamed as
> Vasco-Caucasian
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>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: fournet.arnaud
> To: cybalist@... s.com
> Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2007 3:49 PM
> Subject: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: [tied]
> Renfrew's theory renamed as Vasco-Caucasian
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>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Patrick Ryan
> To: cybalist@... s.com
> Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2007 4:30 PM
> Subject: [Courrier indésirable] Re: Re: Re:
> Re: Re: [tied] Renfrew's theory renamed as
> Vasco-Caucasian
>
>
>
> ***
>
> What has been "killed" is the expectation that
> Arnaud has any understanding of the meaning of
> 'verbal'.
>
> ============ =======
> A.F
>
> Most roots cannot be separated as verbal or
> nominal.
>
> ***
>
> A statement that is ignorance personified.
>
> In any case, it is certainly not true of PIE,
>
> PCR
> ***
> What is more : in most cases,
> it is the vocalic scheme that gives the final
> grammatical status to
> the compound : Consonant root + Vocalic
> scheme.
>
> It is true with PIE :
> dh_H1 + vowel /e/ = a verb
> dh_H1 + vowel /o/ = a noun.
>
> ***
>
> The PIE root has the form *CAC where *A has
> the form *e, *o, *ø, or *R if the final *C is a
> resonant. The choice is based on stress-accentual
> considerations not grammatical ones.
>
>
> PR
> ***
>
>
>
> 88
>
> It is true also in Chinese :
> n_p + vowel /a/ = verb "to enter"
> n_p + vowel /o/ = noun "inside, interior"
>
> This is basically a proto-World phenomenon.
> There are hundreds of cases of roots
> grammatically undetermined.
>
> ***
> Again, pure nonsense. Even Afroasian, a
> closely connected language to PIE, has anything like
> *A.
>
> I am beginning to suspect that Arnaud knows he
> knows nothing and only writes for an excuse to
> insult with his very dull wit.
>
> Patrick Ryan
> ***
> <snip>
> .
>
>
>
>

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