Re: [tied] Renfrew's theory renamed as Vasco-Caucasian

----- Original Message -----

From: Patrick Ryan

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Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2007 4:30 PM

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What has been "killed" is the expectation that Arnaud has any understanding of the meaning of 'verbal'.

 

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A.F

 

Most roots cannot be separated as verbal or nominal.

What is more : in most cases,

it is the vocalic scheme that gives the final grammatical status to

the compound : Consonant root + Vocalic scheme.

 

It is true with PIE :

dh_H1 + vowel /e/ = a verb

dh_H1 + vowel /o/ = a noun.

 

It is true also in Chinese :

n_p + vowel /a/ = verb "to enter"

n_p + vowel /o/ = noun "inside, interior"

 

This is basically a proto-World phenomenon.

There are hundreds of cases of roots grammatically undetermined.

 

I might have been optimistic to rank second to a container handle.

It seems worse.

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The etymologies provided are ridiculous.

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A.F

 

You either don't understand them or pretend you have not lost.

You have lost. The game is over.

 

My only personal addition is Basque.

We have a Basque specialist : let's have his point of view.

 

As for Latin, it is from Meillet's point of view.

I have read (this dumb piece of rubbish of) Ruhlen insulting Meillet.

Now I know a second scientifically retarded insulting this great linguist.

 

As for Egyptian and Coptic, it is not mine.

You are insulting hard-working people who try to figure out

how to reconstruct Egyptian.

A task much more difficult than reconstructing PIE.

 

I think you would be too stupid for such a tough challenge.

You hardly understand general linguistics, basic concepts

and have only a shallow and superficial understanding of PIE.

I don't think you can bring anything new to this field.

You can warm up already cooked things, prepared by other people :

a kind of micro-wave oven.

And I will add that you seem unaware of your severe limitations.

 

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Patrick Ryan

 

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----- Original Message -----

From: fournet.arnaud

To: cybalist@... s.com

Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2007 7:51 AM

Subject: Fw: Re: Re: Re: Re: [tied] Renfrew's theory renamed as Vasco-Caucasian

Dear M. Patrick Ryan,

 

I have got the killer word :

 

Consonant root : *y_d

Vowel : *i

Meaning : "full moon"

Reconstruction : *yid-

 

Data :

 

Latin i:d-u:s (long i:, long u:)

(Definitely not an Etruscan loanword)

 

Basque (h)il

(I told you :

 l is from *d and r from t?)

 

Egyptian : y_&_H

& = &ayin

H = pharyngeal unvoiced

Hence *yid-aH > Egyptian *yi&oH > Coptic ioH

(H = hori)

Afro-Asiatic *d becomes &ayin in Egyptian.

Cf. Loprieno, Ancient Egyptian, etc.

 

You lost.

 

Job done.

Standard PIE "hard-hat" theory bust.

 

I will try to find a -wu- sequence just for fun.

 

Arnaud

 

 

----- Original Message -----

From: fournet.arnaud

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Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2007 10:41 AM

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Another possibility is to look at words where -i- and -u-

are obvious morphological additions :

 

i-kn-u "ash" from *k_n

i-khth-uH "fish"

This can be a derivative of gh_H "to yawn, open the mouth"

 

These two words exhibit : i_u

as vocalic scheme.

There is neither -y- nor -w- in the roots.

 

i-p(h)n-os "oven" from i-kwH2-(s)no "baking device"

from kwH2 "to burn"

 

 

 

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Patrick Ryan

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Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2007 2:11 AM

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Finally, a good question!

 

Need to be VERBAL because, if nominal, the stress-accent can have occasioned Ablaut;

 

for example, an actually occurring *-u- could (and would in my opinion) simply be the zero-grade of *-éu-.

 

If we were looking at *CuC, we would have to reject the form since the actual root would be *Céw + a root extension (the final *C), thus *CéCC-.

 

 

Patrick Ryan

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----- Original Message -----

From: etherman23

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Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2007 4:57 PM

Subject: Re: Re: Re: Re: [tied] Renfrew's theory renamed as Vasco-Caucasian

Why do they need to be verbal roots?

--- In cybalist@... s.com, "fournet.arnaud" <fournet.arnaud@ ...>
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> Read my previous mail
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> Arnaud
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> From: fournet.arnaud
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> Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2007 11:36 AM
> Subject: Fw: Re: Re: Re: Re: [tied] Renfrew's theory renamed as
Vasco-Caucasian
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> Long i: versus zero
> ki:ku-s strength
> shvayati to be strong
> *ku- > shv as in kuHon "dog"
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> There is no reason to reject *i and *u as vowels.
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> You yourself have provided the reason for rejecting *i and *u as
vowels:
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> your failure to furnish 5 VERBAL roots of the form *CiC, or
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> 5 VERBAL roots of the form *CuC.
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> If *i and *u are *V, then providing VERBAL roots of the form
*CVC with *i and *u should be no problem.
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> Patrick Ryan
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