Re: [tied] Re: Renfrew's theory renamed as Vasco-Caucasian

Yes, I remember Trask saying on a post that Bq 9 meant
"one from ten" or whatnot
But there's obviously a lot more to be done. Someone
needs to go through Saami substrate and investigate

--- michelmrvn <michelmrvn@...> wrote:

> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, Rick McCallister
> <gabaroo6958@...>
> wrote:
> >
> > So when do you think the Saami began speaking
> Uralic
> > and the Finns moved into Finland?
> > Saami, supposedly has 25% pre-Uralic substrate and
> I
> > have no clue about any substrate in Finnish.
> > I've always wondered about shared substrate among
> > Germanic, Saami, Balto-Finnic and Baltic --but
> none of
> > you will get up off your duffs and figure it out
> for
> > me.
> >
>
> Some people think that the pre-Uralic substrate of
> the Saami was some
> language akin to basque. As a specialist of basque,
> I can only give
> some possible links: saami garrat "hard,
> rough"/basque garrats "id.".
> Numbers eight and nine are two to ten and one to ten
> in basque also,
> but this is also true for finnish. The end of eight
> and nine in saami
> is -ci IIRC and in basque -tzi (zortzi, bederatzi)
> where -ci/-tzi
> might mean "ten", but this morpheme has been also
> compared with
> caucasian.
>
> Michel.
>
> > --- "fournet.arnaud" <fournet.arnaud@...>
> > wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Rick McCallister
> > > To: cybalist@yahoogroups.com
> > > Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2007 8:16 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [tied] Re: Renfrew's theory
> renamed
> > > as Vasco-Caucasian
> > >
> > >
> > > Actually Scandinvia & W Baltic: Sweden,
> Denmark,
> > > Lower
> > > Saxony, Pomorze --Jastorf, right?
> > > Germanic began to split up sometime around 500
> BC,
> > > right?
> > > And it spread out from there, right?
> > > In (continental) Scandinavia, the previous
> > > inhabitants
> > > spoke Uralic, namely Saami (and Finnish in
> > > Finland),
> > > right?
> > >
> > > ============================
> > >
> > > A.F
> > >
> > > Germanic reached Scandinavia BEFORE (Western)
> > > Uralic.
> > >
> > > And I think Germanic split much earlier than
> 500
> > > BC,
> > >
> > > English and German were different languages as
> > > early as - 2500,
> > >
> > > if you recalibrate glottochronology erosion
> rate,
> > > to avoid having French and Italian split as late
> as
> > > in the XV century.
> > >
> > > (obviously absurd : Standard erosion rate is
> too
> > > fast
> > >
> > > It has to be slowed down and the result is
> that
> > > language splits are pushed into the past)
> > >
> > > ==========================
> > >
> > >
> > > And who knows what they spoke in Denmark and
> > > Pomorze,
> > > right?
> > > Maybe "Folkish"?, maybe "Apple language", who
> > > knows,
> > > right?
> > >
> > > --- tgpedersen <tgpedersen@...> wrote:
> > >
> > > > --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, Rick
> > > McCallister
> > > > <gabaroo6958@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > No one says that Scandinavia was the
> original
> > > > homeland
> > > > > of Germanic --just that it was centered
> there
> > > and
> > > > the
> > > > > NW Baltic
> > > >
> > > > Why 'centered' there? Where exactly is the
> 'NW
> > > > Baltic'?
> > > >
> > > > > c. 500 BCE.
> > > >
> > > > Why 500 BCE?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Before that, well, probably present Saxony
> and
> > > > Poland.
> > > > > Regarding Uralic lexicon --look at
> Scandinavia
> > > and
> > > > the
> > > > > N. Baltic, who else besides Germanics live
> > > there?
> > > >
> > > > Is this 'N. Baltic' = your previous 'NW
> Baltic',
> > > and
> > > > if not, where is it?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Torsten
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
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