Re: [tied] Renfrew's theory renamed as Vasco-Caucasian

ok,

I believe this word should be reconstructed as *ku-H2on "dog"

for the following reasons :

1. a remark :

the syllabic cut *ku-H2on does not mean

morphemic analysis is *ku + H2on

As is shown below, the morphemic cut is *kuH2 + on.

2. IE languages have -u- as a vowel not a consonant,

starting with Greek.

3. this word has been borrowed in Chinese as *ku-H2-on

with H2 being either velar or glottal

4. this word also exists in Berber :

Kabyle : a-q-zhun < *a-ku-H2un

Siwa : garzun with -r- infix

NB : The Berber cognate has accent on -o-.

5. this word is probably based on a verbal root kuH2-

meaning "to bite",

as is shown in Eskimo : *këR-ëR- "to bite"

which gives *këR-ëR-laq "wolf"

6. this root is also exhibited in URalic PErmiats : küöne "a she-wolf"

7. the connection with Finnish koi-ra < *kuH2- is unclear :

loanword / cognate ?

Sorry,

I am not ready to give up my comparanda.

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So far you haven't proved that the
word should be analysed as *k^u- plus a suffix

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A.F :

it is kuH2 plus a suffix -on.

About every IE language treats -u- as a vowel.

----- Original Message -----

From: Piotr Gasiorowski

To: cybalist@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2007 10:41 PM

Subject: Re: [tied] Renfrew's theory renamed as Vasco-Caucasian

On 2007-09-23 21:43, fournet.arnaud wrote:

> It is sure that we are dealing with a two-syllable word : *ku-H2on.
>
> PIE internal explanations will have to adjust to this fact.

You can't "adjust" PIE reconstructions arbitrarily so that *h2 becomes
invisible in this context. The problem is not only that *uh2 doesn't
yield short /u/ before a consonant but that the preconsonantal weak form
of the stem reflects *k^wn.- and can't be derived from *k^uh2n.- (which
would have given e.g. Skt. instr.pl. !*s'uvabHis rather than the
attested s'vabHis). Compare *h2ju-h3on-/ *h2ju-h3n- 'young (hero)', where
the Skt. strong cases have <yuvan-> while the weak ones have <yu:n,
yuva->, i.e. precisely what the 'dog' word ought to (but fails to)
exhibit. You'd better adjust your extra-IE comparanda or give them up ;-)

> I think it matters. You are back to your letter-game addiction.

It's called the comparative method. So far you haven't proved that the
word should be analysed as *k^u- plus a suffix; you merely offer a
stipulation to that effect. The 'dog' word is unanalysable within
reconstructible PIE and, for all we know, may have been etymologically
obscure to PIE-speakers. If so, it was underlyingly *//k^won-//, with
the disyllabic variant *k^uo:n occurring only in the nom.sg., where
Lindeman's Law is applicable.

Piotr