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cybalist@yahoogroups.com, Piotr Gasiorowski <gpiotr@...> wrote:
>
> On 2007-09-08 03:27, stlatos wrote:
>
> [I snip the part where you reproach me for changing my views without
> informing the list. I plead guilty as charged.
Oh, I wouldn't reproach you for that. It's only when you talked
about the same thing again but had changed your mind in the meantime
and don't mention it THEN that it caused a problem. Now I understand
you couldn't remember every conversation in detail, but since it
happened several times I felt I should find out why.
I just had to know if you had changed your mind about PIE ll/rl/etc.
and how it related to -al(l)- in Greek. Now I know you feel the
separate cases are unrelated and why.
> It's quite evident that our
> reconstructive preferences are somewhat different. You seem to be
aiming
> at solutions that allow you to generalise and explain a wide range of
> forms at one fell swoop. There is a formal cost attached to that: you
> posit quite a number of extra phonological contrasts and draw long
lists
> of rules, some of them optional or producing variable output. I
prefer a
> simpler and more orthodox phonology, less complex reconstructions and
> more tightly constrained changes. I realise there's also a price to pay
> for that -- a possible loss of generality, more frequent recourse to
> analogy, etc.
Well, when considering cases of l-l, r-r, etc., I modified some of
my earlier rules. Which approach do you think might solve these?
*drusdo+ > *druzdo+ / *druzgo+ > (various) 'thrush'
*doru 'wood, tree'
*drustxo+ 'standing _ = tree' > Alb drushk 'oak'
*xYrurdhto+ > OE ru:st; Alb ndryshk
*xYrurdhto+ > L ruscum 'butcher's broom (plant w red berries) >>
rusco: / rusto:
*pr,xWisto+ 'first' > L pri:sti:nus, pri:scus
*proxW stx,to+ 'set (straight) forward' > OCS prostU; Khow frosk
'straight'
*lals+ > Skt las.-
*lalsti:vus > L lasci:vus
*xWostn.+ 'a bone' > Arm. oskr
These words and others are part of something I believe was
widespread and involved in early IE separation; I've mentioned some
before and can gather the parts together if needed, but I'd like to
know if you have a different explanation.