Re: RE : [tied] Re: North of the Somme

--- tgpedersen <tgpedersen@...> wrote:

> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, Rick McCallister
> <gabaroo6958@...> wrote:

[snip]
I can definitely see how one could go bonkers over all
this

> My crazy uncle, Jon Galster, who immersed himself
> into the subject and
> wrote a book about it, thoght the Germani arrived in
> Scandinavia in a
> pincer movement, one prong north from Germania,
> another west from the
> Baltics.
>
>
> > By the way, the former title of the Swedish kings
> in
> > Latin does translate literally as "King of the
> Swedes,
> > Goths and the Vandals" (Gothorum et Vandalorum)
> but as
> > you pointed out, in Swedish it's "King of the
> Swedes,
> > Geats and Wends".

Wikipedia interprets the Swedish title as "King of the
Swedes, Geats and Wends" and explains that the Geats
are the people of Götaland. But the Swedish title in
Latin states "Vandalorum et Gothorum" and that's the
conflation I'm referring to.
Wik gets into the Geat-Goth-Jute argument, as well as
WHO was on Gotland --were they Goths or Geats?

This brings up the argument of whether maybe E Gmc
spread out of present-day SE Sweden from what was the
N end of a Gmc dialect chain and crossed the Baltic,
thus severing its connecion with said dialect chain.
if so, then the Geats would have been the descendants
of those who stayed and continued speaking part of
that dialect chain, while the Goths et al founded E
Gmc
And perhaps the term Wend for the Slavs came into use
when they moved into former Vandal territory
--although I don't know if Vandal has the same
etymology: I've seen *wen- "beloved" for Wend and
"wander" for Vandal (in history books, so really
non-lx)

>
> No I didn't. I pointed out that one of the titles of
> the Danish king
> was 'of the Wends and the Goths'. I believe we
> quarreled with the
> Swedes over that too.
>
>
> > Evidently the Geats were conflated
> > with the Goths and (perhaps) the Jutes, the Wends
> with
> > the Vandals.
>
> No one in recent time did that. The interpretation,
> at least in the
> titles of the Danish king was as I said that the
> Wends were a Slavic
> people on the Baltic coast and the Goths the
> inhabitants of Gotland.
>
>
> Torsten
>
>
>
>

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