From: fournet.arnaud
Message: 49763
Date: 2007-09-02
----- Original Message -----From: Rick McCallisterSent: Saturday, September 01, 2007 10:00 PMSubject: Re: [tied] HngBasque zango is from Romance
See Italian zanco==============
A.F : I couldn't find this word zanco in Italian
What I found is :
Zampa : "paw"
Zoppo : "lame"
Zoccolo : "clog"
Zanzara "mosquito"
Andare a zonzo "have a walk"
It is hard to posit a Lombardic word *skank from these data.
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In French,
Echasse < OF eschas, eschace < supposedly (and doubtfully) Frankish skak(k)ja,
Meaning : a long piece of wood ; crutch ; limping person
IN Spanish :
See Spanish zanco "stilt", zancudo "mosquito
--literally 'longlegs"
==========Zancudo and Italian Zanzara somehow look alike.
Basically, zanco and French échasse do not mean "leg" but "piece of wood".
They may be "Germanic" words from *skakkja and *skank-.
Stilts are not "additionnal legs" but "pieces of wood".
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it's probably from a Lombard word derived from *skank-
A.F :I do not agree, this remains to substantiated.
Bask zango does not mean "piece of wood" but "leg", and nothing else.
Other trials in Bask like z-aeiou-(n)-g/k lead nowhere.
Bask zango "leg" most probably is not a loanword but an inherited word.
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BTW: How did skank & variant skag come to mean "whore,
loose ugly woman" in English? Is it because
prostitutes show their legs?
Skank and shank also mean "prison knife" made from a
piece of metal, bedpost, etc.
--- "fournet.arnaud" <fournet.arnaud@ wanadoo.fr>
wrote:
> You can find that among a pile of other strange
> stuff in
> http://www.angelfir e.com/rant/ tgpedersen/ Hng.html
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> Torsten
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> Concerning the Greek word "wan-aks",
> It looks like Chinese wang "emperor"
> and Sumerian EN "king".
> WEN does not exist so EN may be in fact [wen] <
> *wan.
> So maybe we have to posit a "asiatic" root *wan
> "king"
> This entails that Greece may have received a greater
> influence
> from Mesopotamia than usually accepted.
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> I disagree with Bask zango "leg" could be from
> *skank
> and have any relationship with Germanic *skank-
> /skink
> I don't think (proto)-Bask could (ever) have that
> kind of initial cluster.
> clusters are internal in Bask, often thru
> metatheses.
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> A conspicuous feature of Bask, also visible in
> Etruscan,
> is that PIE *l and *r are reflected as [s] written
> -z- in Bask.
> Example :
> Lip < *lap? = Bask ezp-ain < *zap-in
> hence zango is in fact the same as leg and Greek
> laks.
>
> Etruscan has the same feature :
> Kor "young man" :
> Bask giz-on
> ETruscan hus
> Bask initial -g- should in fact be hoz-
> so that this word seems a compound gi- + hoz-on >
> giz-on
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> gher "house, enclose place"
> Bask etche < ehza < haz
> ETruscan casa
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> Reg "straight branch"
> Etruscan sag-itta.
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> Usually Bask and Etruscan display the same mutation
> :
> unvoiced > spirant k > h
> voiced > often unchanged
> voiced aspirated > often unvoiced
> glottalized > unvoiced
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> Bask -l- reflect PIE -d- and -r- reflects -t?-
> that has this consequence that in fact eat and tooth
> are not the same root :
> tooth hor-tz < H1ot?
> eat (or bite) hel/hal < H1ad
> Bask h is from either H1 or k.
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> I class Bask and Etruscan in the same genetic group
> "Paleo-European" .
> Etruscan is neither an imported language nor a part
> of Indo-European.
> Bask is usually a comparative nightmare
> but a couple of things are clear.
> There are no Bask or Etruscan enigmas.
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