western drift

From: fournet.arnaud
Message: 49741
Date: 2007-09-01

Rick McCallister :
 
From what I've read, Kartvelian arrived from the East,
maybe Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan, Tajikistan c. 2000 BC
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A.F :
I think Kartvelian is autochthonous in Caucasus.
This group is conspicuous for displaying no clear
indication that is closely to either PIE or SinoTibetan
 or North Asiatic languages, nor Semitic.
If you push KArtvelian that will draw even more to the East
Central PIE (Indo-Iranian, Balto-slavic, Greek) and
Germanic because of KArtvelian Loanwords.
I believe Central PIE and KArtvelian position are ok.
The issues are Germanic and Finno-Volgaic-PErmic positions.
 
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The Finnish linguists on lists with whom I've spoken
all say that Uralic arrived in Finland sometime
between 2000 BC & 1 AD from the East. I've never run
into one who claimed Finnish is autochthonous to
Finland, they also mention a strong pre-Uralic
substate in Saami.
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A.F
What do they think the starting position was ?
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I think a better argument is that Germanic was the NNW
edge of IE and was between Central IE and Uralic,
perhaps moving west at roughly the same pace as
Uralic, and that as it moved to the NW, Celtic, Baltic
and Slavic followed right behind, filling any vacuums.
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A.F
I agree with this "shift/drift" process.
I think it started from far away :
Germanic being in South URals and Finno-Ugric
being in the Ob river basin. (North and South)
There is a kind of "shock wave" process
 in North Central Asia :
Germanic
Finno-Ugric
Huns
Turks
Mongols
All these people came from East to West :
relative Chronology = relative positions
 
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