Re: Re[2]: [tied] Belgians and Gauls

This kind of ending like -i/-a-/o- plus -n- plus -ia/-io/a-/o plus (optional) plural -s

is fairly frequent and obviouly Latin and more exactly Gallo-Roman.

The underlying patronym is most often Latin but sometimes Gaulish.

I have no case with a Germanic lexical base,

which is coherent with the GAllo-Roman datation of these toponyms.

These toponyms are often plural (non expressed word : villae/villas)

Most the words you cite are singular,

but this is not a major stumbling block.

In this case, I think the patronym is Petr-

and -onus is the suffix expressing "place of".

Petr(-onus) sounds like a fairly obvious Latin Name.

Why should it be non Latin / Gallo-Roman ?

These words probably all date back to the last days of Roman Empire,

before Germanic invasions made everything upside down.

I don't have the specific proposed explanation for each word.

But I don't think they qualify as "odd" words requiring some "specific" explanation.

They seem to fit without any major trouble

into the commonplace mould of Gallo-Roman toponyms.

----- Original Message -----

From: Brian M. Scott

To: tgpedersen

Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 4:07 AM

Subject: Re[2]: [tied] Belgians and Gauls

At 7:56:42 PM on Sunday, August 26, 2007, tgpedersen wrote:

[...]

>> Could you please give me the relevant "Belgian" traces ?

[...]

> Placenames in P- which are not obviously Latin. So far
> I've located Pernes, Peronne, Péruwelz (Belgium). Do you
> have etymologies for them?

Morlet derives <Péronne> from the masculine name <Petronus>.

For Péronne (Somme): <Perruna> 585, <Perronam> early 9th c.,
<ad Parronam> 10th c., <Peronia> 1080x5, <Parona> 1223,
<Perone> 1230.

For Péronne (Nord): <Parrona> 804, <Perrona> 1033, <Perona>
1144.

For Péronne-lès-Antoing (near Tournai, Belgium): <Perrona>
1199, <Perona> 1208.

For Péronne-lès-Binche (near Soignies, Belg.): <apud
Peronam> 1119, <Perona> 1133.

For Péronne-en-Mélantois (near Lille): <Perrona> 1107,
<Perona> 1108.

The names <Petronus> and <Petrona> are attested in French
sources, as is <Perrona> for the latter.

Brian