Place-names

From: fournet.arnaud
Message: 49601
Date: 2007-08-23


> This hypothesis makes sense if
> the "Belgians" can be
identified by some criteria
> that make them different from the "p-celt
Gauls"
> in phonetic or lexical data.
Torsten wrote :
You just provided one yourself: Capitals in -u, ethnonyms in -is.
 
A.F : no : 
What I previously wrote was :
First :
Ethnonyms end with standard nominative plural : -i
CApitals end with ablative locative plural : -is
Provinces end with neutral accusative singular : -u or -o
 
Next :
This feature (just as all the rest) does not follow this supposed Belgian/Gaulish division.
 
Examples of Cities :
 
So called "Belgians" :
Arra-S < Atrebat-is (200 km  north from Paris)
Reim-S < Rem-is (100 km east from Paris)
Soisson-S < Suesson-is (100 km north from Paris)
PAri-S < PAris-iS
 
So called "Gauls" :
Anger-S < Andecav-is (300 km south-west from PAris)
Poitier-S < Pictav-is (300 km south from Paris)
Limoges < Lemovic-is (500 km south from PAris)
 
As regards this structure, there is no division to be made between north/east/West/south
Basically it works everywhere in the same way.
 
 
Apart from Cesar's affirmation of a dichotomy,
What kind of data do you have to support this dichotomy ?
 
your search for "Belgians" sounds no better than the search for "Pelasgians",
To be frank, It sounds worse,
We are sure that Greek language and Greek place-names provide enough coherent stuff
to make the substrate hypothesis undoubtable.
In the case of these Belgians, I must restate that I cannot see anything
neither in languages nor in place-names that can be labelled "enough coherent stuff".
 
One can tell a place-name of Saxon origin from a place-name of Norse origin in Northern France
but one can't find a place-name of "Belgian" origin where "they" should be.
Absurd sounds like the right word to describe this "Belgian" hypothesis.