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cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "Brian M. Scott" <BMScott@...> wrote:
>
> At 5:30:26 PM on Monday, July 30, 2007, Rick McCallister
> wrote:
>
> > park is an intersting word
>
> It's worth quoting the OED commentary from the draft
> revision dated March 2007:
[OED stuff]
This is a fascinating mixture, as many things British, of modern and
Medieval thinking: It has all the trimmings of linguistic insights,
including, and surpassing most of the points I made, while
dogmatically insisting that the word originated in Medieval Latin as
'parricus', by parthenogenesis in a corpse, so to speak, a belief
camparable to that in spontaneous combustion or the spontaneous
creation of vermin in rotting hay.
A Dutch etymological dictionary about to appear includes NWBlock as
source language, let's hope the next edition of OED does so too.
> >>> And I'm inclined to accept the 2005 OED assessment of
> >>> <paddock> as probably a variant of <parrock>, OE
> >>> <pearroc, pearruc> 'fence by which a space is enclosed;
> >>> enclosure, enclosed land', cognate with OHG <pfarrih,
> >>> pferrih> 'a pen, enclosure, hurdle', MLG <perk>
> >>> 'enclosure', MDu <parc, perc, paerc, parric, perric>
> >>> 'enclosed place, park' (influenced by Fr. <parc>), and
> >>> unrelated to <pad>.
>
> >> Not true;
>
> On the contrary, it most certainly *is* true that I'm
> inclined to accept the derivation from <parrock>.
> Presumably you meant to say that the *derivation* is wrong,
> which of course means only that you don't accept it. The
> evidence, however, favors my view: <paddock> 'a small field
> or enclosure' is attested only from 1547.
I was commenting on your claim that 'pad' and 'paddock' are unrelated,
as should be clear from the following line.
> >> the *-Vk suffix is very common in NWBlock words
>
> Even if this is true, so what? It's a Common Gmc.
> diminutive suffix.
No, *-Vk- is a common IE suffix. In Germanic it would be *-Vx- or *-VG-.
> 'This word has a common NWBlock feature,
> so it must be a NWBlock word' would be a less than
> convincing argument even if the feature in question weren't
> well-known elsewhere; under the existing circumstances it's
> a joke.
Kuhn disagrees with you;
from 'Vor- und Frühgermanische Ortsnamen in Norddeutschland und den
Niederlanden':
"
Ein wichtiger Suffixkonsonant in der Wort- und Namenbildung der
indogermanischen Sprachen ist /k/. Seine germanische Entsprechung sind
/h/ und /g/ (dies vor allem in Adjektiven wie billig und in -ing und
-ung). Dies /g/ ist als Suffix in unseren Ortsnamen selten (und auch
schlecht von den -ng- zu trennen), -k- dagegen ist häufig. Es kann
zwar aus idg. -g- entstanden sein, hat dann aber wenig Entsprechungen
in der Namengebung der anderen Zweige unseres Sprachstamms. Ihm
entspricht da viel mehr -k- -- -dies gilt auch vom diminutiven
Gebrauch . Am bekanntesten ist uns sein Wuchern in den westdeutschen
Ortsnamen der Römerzeit (Typ Juliacum), dem keltischer Ursprung
zugesprochen wird. Auch das -k-Suffix unserer Namen außerhalb der
Germania romana wird, wenigstens soweit ihm ein Vokal vorausging es
ist meist /i/, selten /a/, vielleicht auch /u/ , unverschoben
indogermanisch sein. Es ist in Skandinavien äußerst selten und bei uns
fast ganz auf den Raum beschränkt, der auch die vielen anderen
vorgermanischen Ortsnamen birgt [ie. the 'Raum' between Weser/Aller
and Somme/Oise.
"
Torsten