From: Rick McCallister
Message: 49048
Date: 2007-06-18
> >Old Norse þefia, East Frisian daven "stomp"____________________________________________________________________________________
>
> Oh yes, stomp is the better equivalent for Ger.
> stampfen
> (but also for some of the tap(p)-group).
>
> >2 *tap (*tapp-?), *tupp- "pull at, pluck" ("zupfen,
> zerren")
> >O. Fris. tapia, Kiliaen teppen, Dutch toppen,
> German zupfen
>
> Funny thing: change zupfen to tupfen, which along
> with or
> via Tüpfer(l) and Tupfer has a link to... tampon.
> :-)
>
> >3. *tapp- *tap-, *tipp- "touch lightly"
>
> That's what tupfen is as well.
>
> >M Low German tappen, Low German tippen, Norwegian
> tæpa.
>
> Also in High German tippen (e.g. sich an die Stirn,
> an den Kopf
> tippen), and tappen (e.g. in die Falle ("trap")
> tappen)
>
> >4. *tap-, *tapp-, (*tepp-?) "longish piece of cloth
> ("Tuchstreifen"),
> >band"
>
> [snip]
>
> > OHG tepih, teppich (German Teppich); perhaps
> related to Greek tápe:s,
>
> via Latin: tap(p)etum > OHG tep(p)ih > MHG
> tep(p)ich, tebech.
>
> >MHG tæpisch, German täppisch (both in Low German
> shape)
>
> And in modern Hochdeutsch. The meaning "clumsy,
> awkward"
> because "schwerfällig", with a heavy, awkward gait.
> Akin to
> tapsig. (The opposite, however, to the tap-tap by
> the "hoofers"
> in those dances called stepdances, who are quick,
> swift,
> astute. :-))
>
> >plus in Latin tappo a comical figure
>
> The italian toppolino, too? (I don't know.)
>
> >The "dumb" sense (and that word too is related)
> >comes from the old combination
> non-hearing(dumb)/stupid, ie.
> >having stuffed ears
>
> And the way that person moves (big, heavy) - at
> least in
> German.
>
> >Am.Eng. dumb "non-hearing" > "stupid" under the
> >influence of German dumm? and Dutch stom "stupid",
> >German stumm "non-speaking, mute" (and btw deaf,
> >German taub goes here too).
>
> Akin to stumm "mute": stammeln "to stammer" and
> stemmen with its initial meanings "to hinder, stop,
> hold".
>
> #
>
> >bis hin zu rum. tumba 'Purzelbaum'.
>
> Hehe (and neo-Greek at the same time.)
>
> >Die Herkunft der Sippe ist dunkel, doch
> >vermute ich einen Zusammenhang mit aind. tumala-
> und lat.
> >tumultus 'Lärm' (vgl. mhd. tumel und getümel 'Lärm,
>
> >Getümmel'). Den Bedeutungskern bilden Tanz- und
> >Akrobatenkünste, und mit ihnen, und das heißt mit
> dem
> >Gauklerwesen, werden die Wörter sich, von einem
> >unbekannten Zentrum aus, über die Völker und
> Sprachen
> >ausgebreitet haben (vgl. Gamillscheg, Etym. Wb. d.
> frz.
> >Sprache 2, 852).
>
> Perhaps, in connection to drum/tamburà/tambourine,
> Rum. toba, Hung. dob; perhaps these too: Hung.
> doromb,
> Rum. drâmba "Jew's harp".
>
> > Germanischer Ursprung, an den auch gedacht worden
> ist,
> >ist schon daher unwahrscheinlich, weil die Wörter
> erst nach
> >der zweiten Lautverschiebung ins Hochdeutsche
> gekommen sind."
> >Grave games? Tomb on tamped earth?
>
> Gestampft. :-) (cf. pavimentum & pamânt? :))
>
> >cf. the use of studeo: of "backing" or "supporting"
> a cause (thus
> >"pushing" it).
>
> In Rum., to fill a gap, fill/cover/stuff a hole:
> astupa (astupare).
> Destupat (past participle), in a figurative sense,
> means the
> opposite of "stupid" (also keine "Flasche" :-)).
>
> >Torsten
>
> George
>
>