Re: "stump," "stub," "shortened," "stunted," "blunt"

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "Abdullah Konushevci"
<akonushevci@...> wrote:

>
> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "tolgs001" <george_st@> wrote:
> >
> > >'missing a arm', vesh-cung 'with small ears' etc. It is also attested
> > >in place name Cung-aj-et and in patronymics as Cungu.
> >
> > Always cung and never, at least partially, [c^ump, c^unt,
> > c^omp, c^ont; d/tomp, d/tump]? Are the equivalents of
> > [c^ot, c^ut] shut and shyt? And, finally, does Albanian
> > have words from this greater group with the meaning
> > "blunt" and/or "hilltop"?
>
> [AK]
> Semantically very similar to "hilltop" and cung are:
> 1. Alb curr '1. high cliff; tall crag; 2. having small ears or ears
> clipped short'; 3. curr me curr 'making no sense, without making sense'
> 2. Alb adj curr-an 'having small or clipped ears' 2. trimmed of
> branches; with trees cut down';
> 3. Alb adj curr-ak 'bare, naked';
> 4. Alb curre 'mare with sparse hair on the forehead';
> 5. Alb currë f 1. sheep or goat with small ears or ears clipped short;
> 2. snow-filled mountain crevice; crag, peak;
> 6. ALb adj currëm adj lopped off, truncated; (of horses) docked;
> 7. Alb v curr-on 'to crop (the ears/tail); curron veshët 'to prick up
> the ears'
> There are many place names with appellative curr: Bajram Curr (city
> name), Curraj, Bicurr, Micurr as well as used as commemorative
> patronymics.
>
> I guess that Alb curr could be from *k'(e)ur-no, an extended form of
> *k'er- 'horn, head' (cf. Alb acar < PAlb *ats-ar < H2ek'-ar.

Pardon! About Alb curr m, pl curra I owe you some explanation. Jokl
thinks that we have to deal with a loan from Hebrew Sor 'rock'; Barich
reconstruct it as *k'rno-, so similar to my view, cognate with OIr
carn; Çabej to Arm sur 'sword', Goth hairus etc. (Orel, AED, pp. 48.)

>
> > As for [c^onk, c^unk], you mentioned *sunk- > t&sunka
> > and sung/u.
>
> Yes, its hard to be accepted, even cung could be a later formation
> from genetive case i të sungunt (cf. cili < t-sili 'who, which'), so
> intermediate case could be tshung > çung > sung. Also It cionco has no
> clear etymology. Curiously Arabic has saqat 'invalid, cripple',
> entered in Balkan languages via Turkish as sakat.
>
> > >As well Meyer have compared Alb cung with It cionco
> > >'amputated', Rom ciung and Hung czonka 'trunk'.
> >
> > Nope: as I wrote, /csonka/ with those three meanings.
> >
> > The Hungarian spelling must be <cs>. The spelling
> > <cz> (which is old-fashioned) stands for something
> > else: [tz]; but in the modern spelling, this sound is
> > simply rendered by a <c>.
>
> You have right, but this is old form I found on Meyer and Çabej.
>
> > Unlike in Polish, <cz> never stands for the pronunciation
> > [c^]. (Thus, the ubiquitous spelling <czardas> is wrong;
> > the correct spelling is <csárdás>.)
> >
> > Trunk, as a tree, is called /fatörzs/ (fa "tree; piece of
> > wood"; törzs [törZ] "stem; tribe" (as is /Stamm/ in
> > German: /Baumstamm/, /Volksstamm/, and /Stamm-
> > zelle/ "stem cell")).
> >
> > Trunk, as "proboscis" (e.g. the elephant's nose), is
> > called /ormány/.
> >
> > George
> >
> Konushevci
>