Re: [tied] Re: *eH3k'u- 'swift; accipiter, doe, wind, hawk'

From: alex
Message: 49017
Date: 2007-06-16

alexandru_mg3 schrieb:

> > shyt& and sut& is from a long time considered having the same
> > origin=> see Rosetti, that is one of best source regarding the
> > classification of the common Albanian-Romanian inherited lexicon
> >
> > I have explain you why above.
> >
> > So is not Orel the source of this idea: this is the common
> etymology
> > accepted today. And I don't see why we need to reject it.
> >
> > Marius


yet the words are phoneticaly different and one cannot put in the
same cup the "u" and "y" the "s" and "sh". In my opinion, the
meaning "mug" has nothing to do with the meaning of "doe" and the
"ciot, "ciutura" (also Alb. "shyt" ) is not related to "ciutã"(Alb.
sutë).
On another hand, the Rom. "ciont" family is related to the adj.
"syt" in Albanian. To be honest, I guess in Albanian we have here
two words who evolved to the same form (being actually omonyms).

to summ up:

- Alb. sutë is the same word as Rum. "ciutã" (doe) probably from IE
"*keu-t"
-Alb. "shyt" is the same word as Rum. "ciut(urã)"= mug
-Alb "shyt" (dull, edgeless) is the same word as derivatives of
"ciont/ciunti"( dull, edgeless). Presumably the lost of "n" here
made the two words in Albanian to look today identicaly. It remains
to explain the "sh" in Albanian versus Rom. "c^" since there should
have been an "s" less Rom. "c^" has another source here.
- Alb. "sutë" cannot be the same word as "shyt" due phonetic and
semantic aspect. My 2 cents here.


Alex