Re: tt/st/ss

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, Piotr Gasiorowski <gpiotr@...> wrote:

>
> On 2007-06-13 00:44, Piotr Gasiorowski wrote:
> > On 2007-06-12 20:39, stlatos wrote:
> >
> >> With your description now specifically allowing -lum and -ulum,
> >> do you still think or need to have tt>ss as an explanation of
> >> sca:lo+ and caelo+? What stage would you use to explain my
> >> *pangtlo+ > *pangslo+ > pa:la 'spade, shovel'? Which stage
> >> allows the Lachmann lengthening you posited before?
> >
> > This is the oldest layer, i.e. the regular development of
> > *-K-tlo-, in which the *t was for some reason treated as in the
> > "thorny" clusters resulting from the metathesis of *-tk-. This
> > treatment is old and not restricted to Latin. More about that
> > tomorrow.
>

How about these rules:
All stops are spirantized before consonants
Sibilization of dental spirants (ð > z, þ > s)
Later spirantized stops disappear with compensatory lengthening in
stressed syllables and are despirantized in unstressed ones.

> For <pa:la> as well as <pa:lum ~ -s> 'stake, I propose *pag(^)-tlo- >
> *pakþlo > *pakslo- > *pa(g)zlo- > pa:lo-, but note the dim. paxillus
> 'peg' from *-kslelo- > *-ksl.lo- > -ksillo-. The formation of a
> secondary syllabic *l. in such derivatives is younger that the
> pre-Lt. change of *-tlo- > *-klo- (see *po:tlelo- > *po:klelo- >
> *po:kl.lo- > po:cillum), but older than the loss of *-(k)s- before
> *l.

*pák-tlo- > *páxþlo- > *páxslo- > *pa:slo- > *pa:lo-
*pak-tl-ílo- > *paxþlílo > *paxslílo- > *paxsílo- > *paksílo-

>
> Some other examples:
>
> *weg^H-tlom (*'implement for propulsion') > *wek^þlo- > *wekslo- >
> ve:lum 'sail' (vexillum 'flag'); cf. Sl. *veslo 'oar'.

*weg^H-tlo- > *wexþlo- > *wexslo- > *we:slo- > *we:lo-
*weg^H-tl-ílo- > *wexþlílo > *wexslílo- > *wexsílo- > *weksílo-

> *h2ag^-tlah2 (*'lever' >) 'upper arm, shoulder' > *h2ak^þlah2 > Lat.
> a:la 'wing' (axilla 'little wing, armpit'); cf. Gmc. *axslo:.

*ag^-tlax- > *axþlax- > *axslax- > *a:sla:- > *a:la-
*ag^-tl-ílax- > *axþlílax > *axslílax- > *axsílax- > *aksíla-

> Compare the similar development in *h2ak^-tlah2 'whetstone' > Sl.
> *osla.

*ag^-tlax- > *axþlax- > *axslax- > (allophone generalization)
*as^slax- > *a:sla:- > *osla-

> *te(t)k^-tlah2 'carpenter's tool' > *tek^þlo- > Sl. *tesla 'adze',
> Gmc. *Texslo:

*te(t)k^-tlax > *texþlax- > *texslax- > (allophone generalization)
*tes^sla- > *tesla-

> *weik^-tlah2 'dwelling-place' > *weik^þlah2 > Lat. vi:lla (note that
> *l is at least variably geminated after an _etymologically long_
> vowel or diphthong -- see the next item as well as <mi:lla>,
> <paullus>, etc.), perhaps because compensatory lengthening was ruled
> out in such cases.

*weik^-tlax > *weixþlax- > *weixslax- > *wei:sla > *wi:lla

> *h2auk(W)-tla2 'pot' > *h2auk(W)þlah2 > Lat. aulla ~ olla (auxilla).
>

Etc.

> There is no t-spirantisation in *-K-tro-, cf. *h2m(e)lg^-trah2
> 'milk-pail' > Lat. mulctra, OHG kuo-melhtra*.

I'd prefer *-K-tro- > *-xtro > -ktro-


Note that the rules I proposed are compatible with the ones I proposed
to explain ppp -st- vs -ss-.
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/cybalist/message/48942


Torsten