Re: *eH3k'u- 'swift; accipiter, doe, wind, hawk'

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "alexandru_mg3" <alexandru_mg3@...>
wrote:

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> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "Abdullah Konushevci"
> <akonushevci@> wrote:
> >
> > --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "Alvin Ekmekciu" <a96_aeu@> wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "Abdullah Konushevci"
> > > <akonushevci@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > ...2. Alb. <erë> `wind'
> > > > from *o:k'-ro, a substantivized adjective (cf. ak'-ro, beside
> *ak'-u-
> > > > ): Sl jastreb `hawk'. (Pokorny o:k'u-s 775.)
> > >
> > > What about Alb. <erë> 'wind' deriving from any PIE word with the
> > > meaning "to turn" like *wert- or *werp- ?
> > >
> > > Regards
> > > Alvin
> > ************
> > About Sl jastreb 'hawk' and Alb sutë see
> > http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/cybalist/message/44130 and other
> > posts regarding this issue.
> >
> > Alb erë 'wind' is usually explained from reconstructed non attested
> > Rom form *aira (Meyer). My view is that this basic word is
> inherited,
> > but about it later.
> >
> > Konushevci
> >
>
> Your etymology of sutë as *o:k'u-peteH2 'swift flyer' is a non-sense
> due to the fact that in Romanian it has also the meaning 'without
> horns'
>
> Romanian c^ut& < tswuta: < tsu:ta: < k'uh-t-eh2 < k'uh-to 'the cuted
> one' (-> 'without horns one')
>
> To be sure that I'm right : Romanian has also the verb c^unti 'to cut
> off, to short' etc...
>
> Marius

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First, *H3ek'u-peteH2 > Alb sutë 'doe < swift flyer' (OAED, 792) is
not my etymology, even I will be proud to be mine. As I have said it's
Huld's etymology and he compared it with Greek okupétes.
So, to claim that this etymology is nonsense, despite unhidden support
you have from Gasiarowski and Wordingham, I think could be
characterized, at least, as bad behavior, to not say that it confines
with savage, bestiality.
Alb shyt I adj. 1 (of horned animals) missing horns 2 (of a vessel)
missing its handle/spout/neck 3 blunt on top
II n livestock animal missing its horns
III pred 1 with a flat/even surface; blunt on top 2 half done,
interrupted in the middle 3 (Fig) collapsed lik an emty sack:limp.
shyta np fem (Med) mumps (epidemic parotitis)
shytan adj (of an animal) missing its horns, polled
shytë nf. adj (Colloq) flat-nosed (turck/lorry). (OAED, 854).
Everybody could notice that Alb sutë and shyt(ë) as phonetically, as
semantically have nothing in common. I am aware that Orel have said
that it is identical with shutë, that is not true and there is no case
where forms with initial s- correspond to forms with initial sh-.

Konushevci