Re: Ariovistus was not an "Aryan"

From: tgpedersen
Message: 48815
Date: 2007-05-31

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "Francesco Brighenti" <frabrig@...>
wrote:

>
> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, patrick cuadrado <dicoceltique@>
> wrote:
>
> > One Suggestion about Ario-Uistus
> > I think it's a Celtic word
> > Are-/Ari- = before
> > Uid-/Uida-/Uidi- = Sight < Knowledge
> > So Ario-Uistus < anticipates man (warrior quality) or the man
> > knows/guess beforehand
> > I think Cesar said Ariovuistus spoke Celtic and his wife was a
> > Noric Princess (Celtic too)
>
> Thus Pokorny:
>
> http://us.share.geocities.com/iliria1/etymology1.html
>
> << Old Irish aire (*arios) and airech 'nobleman, of noble people,
> suitor' can belong to preposition air- 'in front of', thus 'standing
> in the first place' (Thurneysen ZCP. 20, 354). >>
>
> Cf. R. Matasovic's etymological lexicon of Proto-Celtic:
>
> http://tinyurl.com/2v2s3x
>
> << Proto-Celtic: *fare 'in front of' [Preposition]
> Old Irish: air, ar [aspirating, +Acc, +Dat.]
> Middle Welsh: ar-, er-
> Middle Breton: er-, ar
> Gaulish: Are-morici [Ethnonym]
> Celtiberian: are-korata (A 52)
> Proto-Indo-European: *prH(i) 'in front of' >>
>
I don't think anyone contests those etymologies. The problem is that
with the connecting vowel -o-, the first element of Ariovistus must be
a nominal: noun or adjective, not a preposition. Besides, IE personal
names are typically noun + noun compounds, preposition + noun is used
for names of regions and peoples, eg Pomorze (and Par-isii "those on
the Oise", with 'Belgic' preserved p-, if we are to believe Kuhn).


Torsten