--- Piotr Gasiorowski <
gpiotr@...> wrote:
> On 2007-05-21 01:08, Sean Whalen wrote:
>
> > How about * t(e)rsnu+s t(e)rsuw+ 'dry (so of
> people
> > = thirsty)' > Goth. þaursus; Khowar thrus.nù;
> > metathesis nu > mi in Arm. & Celtic so OIr tír /
> > tírim; > verb in Arm. t'ars^amim 'wither'.
>
> This is what I mean by insufficient evidence. The
> root *ters- has many
> derivatives (*tr.sú- being one of the most common),
> but why should they
> all go back to the same protoform rather than
> reflect independent
> formations?
Why would all PIE words ending in Cnu show some
without the nasal? If I believed in *suxnus I'd also
use that as another nu/uw variant (with dissim. u-w >
u-y).
Why does Celtic directly show a word both with and
without a nasal but otherwise exactly the same in form
and meaning? The nu>mi seems plausible since it's a
word with three dentals in a row (rsn).
> Especially as the Khowar word for
> 'thirst, thirsty' is in
> fact <thrus.ní>, and is a likely loan from Iranian,
> according to
> Morgenstierne and Strauss.
I got thrus.nì from:
http://users.sedona.net/~strand/IndoAryan/Chitral/Khow/KhowLanguage/Lexicon/Khowar.html
It's possible I misremembered it having final -u, or,
though there is not a lot of dialect variation, there
is some, so there might be a dialect showing final -u
and one with -i (it would be dissim of u-u > u-i).
Either way it's only the presence of the nasal I care
about for this change.
Morgenstierne has too much as borrowed from Ir. for
no good reason. Why would Iranian s^ be borrowed as
s. when Khowar has both? The word shows everything
that would be expected from a word from PIE > Khowar,
nothing as if borrowed: a two-syllable word > low
(falling) tone on final syl.; usually final V>0 with
transfer of tone but not for CnV (and others which
would create unacceptable clusters); r, > ru/ur; stop
+ sonor. or glide > stop+aspir +S/G; n. > n; no change
of s. > s^ unless by t.
Khowar has many diagnostic changes but the r, > ru
in this word is probably the best indication it is
native. Other words with C, > uC/Cu are:
*pr,zdn,kú+s 'panther, leopard?'
*pr,zdn,kús > *purdúnkuz -w+ > purdúm
*pr,xW+stxó+ '(standing) in front'
*pr,xWstxó+ > *purkWs.t.a^+ > prus^t.o+
*p(e)ntkW+tí+s 'whole hand, fist'
*p(e)ntkWtís > *p(e)nkWttís
*pn,kWstís > *punks.t.i^z > mus^t.ì
This is probably not borrowed since the rule puN >
muN is also seen in pulmund.ùk 'butterfly', though
metathesis obscures it:
pYìpYa_Lx,tó:n.
pYipYaLx,tó:n.
pipaLx,tó:n.
pipaLxtó:n.
piLpaxtó:n.
piLpató:n.
piLpatn.+ (weak stem)
piLpan.t+
piLpan.t.+
puLpan.t.+
pulpan.t.+
pulpan.d.+
pulpon.d.
pulpun.d.
pulmun.d.
pulmund. + ùk (~ dim.)
pulmund.ùk
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