Re: Pre-Germanic p

Since I've taken out the Estonian dictionary I might as well continue:

> > Hans Kuhn: Das letzte Indogermanisch
> > has the following Germanic doublets:
> > "
> > kriechen und nd. krupen "creep",
> > [Pok. *gr-eu- + -g / + -b, Balt., Germ.]

> > engl. shrink und hd. schrumpfen,
> > [Pok. ?, *skerb(h)-, *skreb(h)-, Gr., Ital., Balt., Germ.)

Engl. crook, crouch
German erschrecken "startle",
weak and strong, strong pret. erschrak
so once *skre:k- strong, *skrekk- weak?

Estonian rooma-, roni- "creep"

> > streichen und streifen,
> > [Pok. *str-ei- + -g / + -b, Celt., Balt. Germ.]

rong "train"? cf German Zug, ziehen

> > tauchen und taufen,
> > [Pok. ?, *dheu-b-, Gr., Celt., Balt., Germ.]

Estonian tõuka- "push"

> > nd. Siek und Siepen "feuchte Bodensenke",
> > [Pok. *seikW- *seip-, Skt., Ital. Celt. Balt. Germ.]

Estonian soo, Finnish suo "swamp", German Sumpf, Engl. swamp

> > Strunk und Strumpf,
> > [Pok. *strenk *streng-, ?, Gr., Celt. Germ.]
> > got. *auhns/ altschw. ugn und dt. Ofen,

Estonian ahi

> > an. ylgr "Wölfin" und ulfr ,Wolf,

This is completely irrelevant. but I thought I'd mention it anyway
Estonian hunt "wolf"

> > dt. leihen und bleiben
> > "
> >
> > Odd geographical distribution, if it's caused by a PIE morpheme
> > and not substrate.
>
> Schrijver's 'language of geminates'
> (Schrijver: Lost languages of Northern Europe, in
> Early Contacts between
> Uralic and Indo-European:
> Linguistic and Archaeological
> Considerations)
> has
> "
> Proto-Germanic *du:B-:
> Old Icelandic du:fa 'to immerse'
> Proto-Germanic *duff-:
> Faeroese duffa 'to bob up and down (of a ship)'
> Proto-Germanic *dubb-:
> Norwegian dubba 'to stoop', Middle Dutch dubben 'to immerse'
> Proto-Germanic *dup:
> Dutch duypen 'to hang one's head',
> Proto-Germanic *dupp-: German düppen, Norwegian duppa 'to dive'
> Proto-Germanic *dump-:
> Norwegian, English, Danish dump 'hole, pit, pond',
> East Frisian dumpen 'dive'
>
> Cognates:
> Lithuanian dubùs 'deep', dum~blas 'mud in water, marsh';
> Old Irish domain,
> Welsh dwfn 'deep' < *dubni- and others.
> "
> He doesn't mention the many variants of *dukk- *deuk- "dive" but
> adds
> *sup- *supp- vs. *sug- *sukk-
> *dup- and *duk- are strong verbs, *dupp- and *dukk- are not.
> Similarly for *sup- *sug- vs *supp- *sukk-
> *gr-eu-b- and *gr-eu-g- are strong in Germanic
> *str-ei-b- and *str-ei-g- are strong in Germanic,
> *str-i-bb- and *str-i-gg- are not.
>
> Did the substrate language of geminates already have ablaut, in
> spite of not being IE?

Torsten