Res: [tied] Re: Latin is a q-Dialect having p- from kW , PIE is

From: Joao S. Lopes
Message: 48568
Date: 2007-05-14

PIE *penkWe > PG *finfi > five
PIE *penkWros > PG *fingraz > finger
PIE *pNkWsti > PG *funxsti > fist

This odd shift kW>p>f in Germanic looks like more a kind of assimilation or dissimilation than a regular or dialectal shift.
 The p- in 4 could be explained as a influence of p- of 5...
*penkWe, kWetwo:res > *finxwi, *hwidwo:riz > *finxwi, *fidwo:riz (assimilation of hw->f) > *finhwi, *fihworiz (assimilation of -hw-) > *finfi, *fihworiz


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Enviadas: Segunda-feira, 14 de Maio de 2007 7:50:39
Assunto: [tied] Re: Latin is a q-Dialect having p- from kW , PIE is similar

>But ON also has masculine <ulfr> (later <úlfr>) alongside
>feminine <ylgr>. It's much easier to see the /f/ of <ulfr>
>as a relatively recent shift in Gmc. than to see <ulfr> and
><ylgr> deriving from distinct forms in different dialects of
>PIE.
>
>Brian

(1) BTW, are there in PIE morphemes for "puppy"?

In (modern) German, _Welpe_ (or Welp) coexists with
_Welf_ (less used). (Welpe for: Hund, Wolf, Fuchs,
Schakal, Kojote)

Welf: also the name of a Frankish-German noble lineage
(perhaps Odoaker/Odowakar, in the 5th c. was an an-
cestor), a German royal dynasty, die Welfen, in English
a.k.a. 'house of Guelph')

(2) Does Lat. _vulpes_ (older _volpes_) belong to the
same etym. group?

(3) Does Hungarian _róka_ ['ro:-kO] "fox" also belong
to the (w)LK- (canidae) group? (If so, interesting case
of rhotacism.)

thnx
George



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