Re: Again with the PIE homeland thing- RE: *(s)teuros

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "stlatos" <stlatos@...> wrote:

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> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, Jens Elmegård Rasmussen <elme@> wrote:
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> > --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "etherman23" <etherman23@> wrote:
> > > If the PIE root is *(s)taur then we have an apparent violation of
> > root
> > > constraints. PIE didn't have any roots with a diphthong followed

by a

> > > resonant. That suggests a borrowing. If we analyze the root as *(s)
> > tau
> > > instead then the comparison breaks down because of the *r in the
> > > Semitic form.
> >
> > I have a second thought: It now looks to me more like a case of
> > borrowing back and forth. We may begin with IE *stéwH-ro-/*stuH-ró-,
> > whence German Stier and OIc. thjórr. That appears to have been

Av stavro strong,OPersian ustuvdr thick, strong; Ir tarbh bull, Old
Arm *tawr. Seems like a connection here (taurus(2).gif)

M. Kelkar

> > integrated into Semitic as *Tawr- (nom. *Tawr-u), which may in turn
> > have been borrowed back into IE yielding Lat. taurus, Gk. taûros,
> > Lith. tau~ras (Celtic *tarwos by adjustment to *karwos 'stag'). I
> > think that accomodates just about everything.
>
> Why should there be any original connection between *tauros and
> *stew-x-ros? One only means 'bull' and the other 'strong/big/old
> etc.' which could be applied to an ox or other kind of cattle but
> is not so applied in every IE language. It seems like nothing to
> indicate a common origin exists. Germanic is the only sub-branch
> that could be taken to indicate *teuros beside *tauros but that's
> almost certainly just contamination from *stew-x-ros > *steu-raz.
>