[tied] Re: Romanian APA

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "Richard Wordingham" <richard@...>
wrote:

>
> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, alex <alxmoeller@> wrote:
>
> > Richard Wordingham schrieb:
>
> > > > So only Romanian would remain a unique 'modern case'..in this
> > > > model?
> > > No, Sardinian has a similar change.
>
> > Richard, is your answer linked to the sintagm "modern case" or do
> > you include more here?
>
> My point is that Romanian is not the only Romance language to show

kw

> > p. It's not as simple as that - in Romanian there are special
> developments such as kwe > ce, and we have both kwa > ka and kwa >

pa,

> without any obvious phonetic conditioning.
>
> Piotr made the point long ago that [kw] > [p] is not an uncommon

sound

> change. Indeed, [kHw] > f is a stigmatised feature of one Siamese
> speech variety, and I even heard it as a stress-induced change in

the

> English of a Thai. [hw] (or [xw]?) > [f] is not rare either - it
> occurs in Northern Scots (Aberdonian, apparently). These are all
> sound changes that can spread through a language word by word, so if
> the process should be stopped, we will have an irregular sound

change.

> Examples of mergers spreading word by word include the merger of

the

> French nasal vowels of <brun> and <vin>, and the Southern Welsh

change

> of initial [xw] to [w].
>
> Richard.
>

Richard,
kwe > c^ is another transformation kw/+ > c^

BUT we cannot have 'in the same time':
kw/a > ka (codru) and
kw/a > pa (patru)

as the 'Romanain Latinist School propose'

So not the possibility of a later 'kw >p' in Proto-Romanian I put
in question, taht of course coudl be possible

I put in question kw->p, based on the contradiction with other
cases (dating 'from the same date' by the Latinist school) =>
see 'codru')