Re: The role of analogy, alliteration and sandhi in counting

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "tgpedersen" <tgpedersen@...> wrote:

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> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "stlatos" <stlatos@> wrote:
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> > --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "tgpedersen" <tgpedersen@> wrote:
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> > > The point being that the PIE root *pag-/*pak- root should be

instead

> > > *(a)kWag-/pag-/pak-, a derivative of the *akWa-/apa- root, the kW/p
> > > alternation being of the same pre-PIE origin, cf that that
> > > alternation exists within Celtic, Italic and Germanic

> > Are you talking about how it
> > appears KW > P in some Germanic words (wolf, sheep)?
>
> That too.
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> > Either way I
> > don't think it has to do with PIE.
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> I think they do. The geographical distribution of the kW/p variants in
> akWa/apa can't be aligned with any of the similar variants in Celtic
> (q-Celtic vs. p-Celtic), Italic (Latin vs. Oscan-Umbrian) and Germanic
> (the above examples). Therefore I suspect some sort of kW/p variant
> distribution (sociolects?, substrate-induced?), already existed before
> these three groups became separated.

Looking in the archives I see that you've been answered before. I
don't think you can take one word as evidence of kW/p variation
related to later changes in IE languages. For 'river, water?' I'd say
that *xakYw+ with reduplicated *xaxkYw+ > *xaxpY+ (this assumes that
h2 = x = velar fricative). Later IE changes creating further
variation include xpY > GbY > b before n. in Italic and Celtic. I
wrote more about this in:

http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/cybalist/message/47559