Re: Ebre = spanish river = celtiberic roots ?

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "tonsls" <ton.sales@...> wrote:

>
> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "Cuadrado" <dicoceltique@> wrote:
> >
> > Does spanish river Ebre = Iber got something akin with Celtic or
> > celtiberic ?
> > Look at this :
> > Celtic = Ibo = to drink
> > Breton = Evit = You drink. Cornic Eva = To drink.
> > Welsh Yfed = to absorb. Old Irish Ibid = You drink
> > IE links : Falisc Pibafo = You drink. Latin Pibit He drinks and
> > bibiere = To drink. Sanskrit Píbati = He drinks
> >
> > Celtic Inscription of Limé : « ibetis uciu. andecari biiete » =
> > Drink this (you) and you'll be very kind
> >
>
> Frankly, I don't believe the name of the river has nothing to do

with

> the drink word. Until now the consensus favors the hypothesis that

the

> Greek Ibe:ros (stress on the i) --and Latin Ibe:rus (stress on the

e,

> as demanded by Latin secondary accentuation rules)-- derives from

the

> Basque ibar = valley, riverside. From here any further progress is
> very difficult. Basque has had in historic times an extraordinary

rate

> of change, so it is often impossible to tell what a given word was
> like in the Proto-Basque or Aquitanian stage (=later first millenium
> BC). Neverteless, ibar is just one of the very few words we can be
> very confident that have remained as they were in Roman times, so

that

> we can admit that, if the explorers/colonisers from the West

borrowed

> the term from Basque/Iberian-speaking natives, the name they gave

the

> river when they found and named it was, most probably, just ibar
> (probably misheard and adapted, by fronting and lengthening the

second

> vowel).
>
> Ton Sales, from Barcelona

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Beside Greek ibe:ros, Latin ibe:rus and Basqaue ibar, river name in
Kosova Ibër, Ibri in Albanian and *Ib-er in PAlb (Ibar in Serbian)
speaks for initial accentuation, characteristic for Illyrian. It
could easy be of PIE origin derived from *ei- 'reddish', zero-grade
*i- + *bhw- 'being', so 'being reddish', suffixed in -er with
quantitative Ablaut form -e:r.

Konushevci