Re: Res: [tied] IE cockroach, Kephenes and Persians

From: Rick McCallister
Message: 48309
Date: 2007-04-13

I've seen varying claims that parsa, parTa means
"panther, tiger, etc." and also "border", that it's
from the same source as Parthia, Pashto and Pathan.
But I'm sure someone can clear this up


--- "Joao S. Lopes" <josimo70@...> wrote:

> ke:phe:n seems to be cognate of Latin ape:s "bee" <
> *h2eh2p- ~ *h2eph2-.
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> Herodotus said that Persians were called as
> Ke:phe:nes before turned into "Persians". Is there
> just historical source?
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> Persian < *Parsa, ParTa, what's its meaning?
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> Joao SL
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> De: Sean Whalen <stlatos@...>
> Para: cybalist@yahoogroups.com
> Enviadas: Sexta-feira, 13 de Abril de 2007 11:58:05
> Assunto: Re: [tied] IE cockroach
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> --- "Joao S. Lopes" <josimo70@... com.br> wrote:
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> > Greek silphe:/tilphe: (akin to Latin talpa
> "mole"?)
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> Yes, they are related. Also Welsh chwil 'beetle',
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> chwiler 'maggot', Gaelic fiolan / fiolar 'earwig'
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> * tul-x-pó+(n.) + <
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> * tw(e)l-x-fwó+ derived from
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> * twèlxáf 'swelling' > Greek sélas
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> This would have to be a late PIE word that is
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> derived from an already derived noun (that is, *
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> tw(e)l-x-fwó+ instead of **tw(e)l-x-wó + from the
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> root), also shown by the restoration of banned
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> clusters like fw (no KWw- or Pw- previously).
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> This secondary cluster was also lost, with fw- > p-
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> but the existence of the fricative is seen in:
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> * tw(e)l-x-fwó+ > * tul-x-pón.+
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> * kY(e)r-x-fwó+ > * kY(e)r-x-frón. + 'hornet'
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> * xY(e)rudhwó+ > * xYrudhró+ 'red'
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> (as other colors in -wó+) which indicate rules of
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> assimilation at a distance:
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> w>r / r () P_
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> w>r / r () uC_
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> And of course * kY(e)r-x-frón. + also comes from a
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> *kYèrxáf 'extension > horn, head, etc.'
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> I've found more evidence for the above. The
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> feminine of 'hornet' undergoes unique assimilation
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> kYar-xa-fwá+ .... kYar-xa-fwá:x
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> kYar-xa-fwá+ .... kYa:-xa-fwá:x
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> kY(a)r-x-fwá+ ... kYa:-x-fwá:x
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> kY(a)r-x-fwá+ ... kYa:x-fwá:x
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> kY(e)r-x-fwó+ ... kYe:x-fwó:x
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> kY(e)r-x-fró+ ... kYa:x-fwá:x
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> kY(e)r-x-fró+ ... kYa:x-pá:x
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> Then fem. * kYa:x-pá:x > Greek ke:phé:n 'drone'
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> (with p>ph after x as sílphe: and ana -n as the
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> masculine * kY(e)r-x-fró: n.).
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