From: Rick McCallister
Message: 48176
Date: 2007-04-02
> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, Rick McCallister____________________________________________________________________________________
> <gabaroo6958@...>
> wrote:
> >
> > But there are plenty of cases of name changes,
> especially when
> dealing with´"barbarians" --there are translations,
> as in the case of
> my Shawnee ancestor "Cornstalk"; also see Red Cloud,
> Sitting Bull,
> etc. There are corruptions, as in the case of Sorley
> Boy Mac Donald
> from Somherlaidh Buidhe (sp?) who was therefore a
> blond rather than a
> kid, as well as Scanderbeg who surely neither
> scampered nor begged --
> and wasn´t his given name George? Even Saddam
> Hussein is said to have
> reversed his name from Hussein Saddam. And then
> there are arbitrarily
> given names or nicknames such as Geronimo,
> Barbarossa (the North
> African corsairs, as well as the German emperor).
> Given that we live
> in more literate times, we can´t fully appreciate
> the opportunities
> for false etymologies, embellishments, etc. from
> peoples with oral
> literature.
>
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> 1) One of the peoples making 'oral literature' was
> Homer himself...
> So that 'you [pl.]?' that 'can't fully appreciate
> the oral
> literature', are in 'a delicate situation' when 'you
> [pl.]?' start to
> talk about this.
>
> 2) Could you also deduce that the usage of the
> plural form ('we')
> above is not appropriate? And I say this to help
> you.
>
> 3) On the other hand, in the 'literate world' (that
> you invoked
> trying to make implicit inclusions) the presence of
> the Greeks names
> together with 'Trojans' Names in Troja (Homer) are
> really a subject
> of disputes and interpretations
> But it's not my fault that you are not aware of
> this.
>
> 3) Next, 'nobody' (to folow your 'we' construction)
> in the 'literate
> world' talk about Greek adaptations of Barbarians
> names at Homer (not
> to talk about corruptions as 'Sorley Boy Mac Donald
> cases'): there
> are two classes of names rather distinct: the Greek
> Names and the Non-
> Greek Ones. Do 'you (pl.)' know this?
>
> 4) Finally you nervous reaction doesn't belong
> neither to the 'oral
> literature' nor to 'the written one'...
>
> Marius
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