Re: *ud- 'out'

From: Abdullah Konushevci
Message: 48076
Date: 2007-03-25

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "Abdullah Konushevci"
<akonushevci@...> wrote:
>
> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, Sean Whalen <stlatos@> wrote:
> >
> >
> > --- Abdullah Konushevci <akonushevci@> wrote:
> >
> > > --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, Sean Whalen
> > > <stlatos@> wrote:
> >
> > > > Since d/t regularly become z/s before stops in
> > > most
> > > > IE languages I don't think any *-s suffix is
> > > needed.
> >
> > > As one can see from Greek huster 'womb' and hustros
> > > 'stomach' and
> > > from Toch B wästarye `liver', as well as from
> > > Albanian
> > > cullë 'stomach', both *ud- and *uds- take part in
> > > 'stomach' words.
> >
> > Whatever you may believe about Albanian, it's
> > certain that t>s before stops in many IE languages.
> > The proto-form has to be based on the outcomes, but
> > the existence of s in them doesn't guarantee that s
> > existed in the proto-form.
> >
> > The cluster dtr was simplified to dr in many
> > languages and the irregular paradigm split in meaning:
> >
> > u_dtèró+s u_dtr(e)+ 'outer, sticking out, belly'
> >
> > u_dtèryó+s u_dtri+ 'in the belly, internal organ'
> >
> > so:
> >
> > u_dtèró+s u_dtr(e)+ > u_ttèró+s u_dr(e)+ >
> >
> > u_ttèró+s u_ttr(e)+ & u_dèró+s u_dr(e)+
> >
> > each new paradigm with a particular meaning.
> ************
> I have nothing to think or to believe except the very simple rule:
> in a cluster of two stops, the first one is lost: *nokW-t- >
> natë 'night', *septm. > shtatë 'seven', *sek-ti > shat 'hoe'.
>
> Konushevci
Seems that memory works perfectly: The term besë was analyzed as
*bhidh-ta:- by Eric Hamp 1961, who later (1985) proposed *bhidh-ti-
+ a:, and brillantly compared the 'Simonidean' (92 D.) epitaph for
the Spartan dead at Thermopylae remasi peithomenoi 'obedient to
(their) words' (C. Watkins, "How to Kill a Dragon", page 83.)