[tied] Re: Grimm's Law is about to expire (Collinge 1985, p. 267, T

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "mkelkar2003" <swatimkelkar@...> wrote:

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> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, george knysh <gknysh@> wrote:
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> > --- tgpedersen <tgpedersen@> wrote:
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> > > --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "ehlsmith"
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> > > > --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "mkelkar2003"
> > > <swatimkelkar@>
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> > > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Out_of_India_theory>
> > > > ...........
> > > > > "Mainstream opponents to the OIT (e.g. Hock[11])
> > > agree that while
> > > > > the data of linguistic isoglosses do make the
> > > OIT improbable it is
> > > > > not enough to unequivocally reject it[12], so
> > > that it may be
> > > > > considered a viable alterative to mainstream
> > > views, similar to the
> > > > > status of the Armenian or Anatolian hypotheses."
> > > >
> > > > Only if one uses a much looser definition of
> > > "viable" than is normal
> > > > in academic and scientific discourse. Accepting
> > > hypotheses which are
> > > > considered improbable but which cannot be
> > > unequivocally rejected
> > > > would be a violation of Oakham's Razor, and would
> > > open the door to
> > > > all sorts of crank scholarship.
> > >
> > >
> > > Apart from the inadvisable in attempting to violate
> > > a razor, Occam's
> > > wasn't about improbabilia, but about the number of
> > > entia. Appealing to
> > > the a priori sense of improbability of any
> > > scientific community will
> > > make its field forever sterile.
> > >
> > >
> > > Torsten
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> > ****GK: Thus, if we have 2 or more hypotheses
> > concerning some issue,each of which is "viable" in the
> > loosest sense of the term, one would be expected to
> > opt, other things being equal, for the most "viable",
> > least "improbable" etc.as the case may be. OIT may be
> > in the ballpark, but it is so far behind AIT (say a
> > million -to-one as compared to 2-to-one or better)
> > that wasting time on it, in the absence of any more
> > potent support than desperate subjective wish, is
> > practically a scientific crime.*****
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> http://www.tulane.edu/~howard/LangIdeo/Koerner/Koerner.html
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> This general non-recognition of ideological consideratins playing a
> role in linguistics and its methodology is deplorable not simply
> because of the lack of social consciousness and sense of intellectual
> responsibility which this attitude among scholars reveals, but also
> because linguists can be shown to have been particularly prone to
> cater, consciously or not, to ideas and interests outside their
> discipline and, as history shows, allowed at times their findings to
> be used for purposes they were not originally intended or simply
> joined up with certain trends."
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> "Although it is obvious from his own account that a considerable
> number of authors had ideological, including at times religious and
> maybe even political, agenda, Mallory does not raise the issue of
> ideology, quite in line with traditional scholarly discourse in which
> this aspect of scientific endeavour has been regularly ignored."

http://www.tulane.edu/~howard/LangIdeo/Koerner/Koerner.html

The convergence model had some traction earlier on, or so it seems,

"Daniel Garrison Brinton (18371899) rejected the `blond Aryan model',
arguing that "at the earliest period, both in Europe and Asia, the
majority of Aryan-speaking peoples were brunettes" (1890:147), and
that "the original inflected Aryac tongue arose from the coalescing of
the two or more uninflected agglutinative or semi-incorporative
tongues, the mingling of the speeches being accompanied, as always, by
a mingling of blood and physical traits" (p.149).5"

but..

"For others, this was by no means an acceptable position. Some,
usually the linguists, argued in favour of strict separation of
particularities of language and matters external to them; others,
usually archaeologists and anthropologists, favoured a parallelism
between language and race. "

the stammbaum model swept it away.

M. kelkar

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