Re: [tied] Re: Pretonic laryngeals in roots

--- Piotr Gasiorowski <gpiotr@...> wrote:

> On 2007-03-18 16:05, Sean Whalen wrote:
>
> > Not if xWt > tH there as I'm arguing.
>
> But it's <pratara->, not *<pratHara-> (or
> *<pro:tara->).

I have nothing against analogy in principle, I just
think what you've proposed is too widespread to allow
this aspiration to date back to a PIE rule instead of
more specific and constrained rules in several
branches.

Also, this aspir. in Indic may only occur between o
and a C (sim. to Greek as I see it). Analogy could
create mixed forms.

pYroxWteros pYroxWtr(e)+ pYroxWtn,mos
pYroxWteros pYrotHr(e)+ pYrotHn,mos
pYroteros (ana)
pYroteros pYrotr(e)+ (ana)

> > I think different aspiration rules operated in
> different languages.
> > You've said these don't work after X+syl, but:
> >
> > PIE *gWer-xW-tro+ 'throat' > Lith gerkle: Grk
> *bérathrom > bérethron
> > / bárathron 'pit'
>
> Also Lith. gurkly~s. Cf. Slavic *gUrdlo-/*z^Irdlo-
> 'throat' and the
> full-grade *z^erdlo- 'river-mouth, abyss'. Slavic
> and Baltic (like
> Indo-Iranian) show no alternation whatsoever either
> in the initial
> consonant of the suffix or in the liquid (Slavic has
> *-dlo-, which may
> be the regular phonetic development of *-tlo-, cf.
> *setm- > *sedm-,
> while Baltic has -kla- < *-tlo-). I wonder if we
> aren't dealing with a
> different root in Greek (or perhaps a merger of two
> word-families in
> Slavic), as it's unusual for *erh3 or *r.h3 to
> produce Gk. -ara- or -ere-.

I'm not saying the Greek forms are regular;
*bérathrom > bérethron by short vowel assimilation and
*bérathrom > bárathron by anticipatory (same).

This type of assimilation is common in Greek and
doesn't affect V < X any more than any other V.

The xW, > a may occur due to dissimilation (gW-xW >
gW-x) or perhaps a regular rule:

t>tH / x(W/Y) _ r/l

and causes

x(W/Y)-syl > 0
x(W/Y)+syl > x

> 'auger' or Gk. péletHron < *kWélh1-trom. The 'pit'
> word might be
> connected with *gWerh2- (as in *gWr.h2-ú- 'heavy')
> rather than *gWerh3-
> 'devour'.

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