PIE *RHC- was *RH.C-

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "alexandru_mg3" <alexandru_mg3@...>
wrote:

>
> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "alexandru_mg3" <alexandru_mg3@>
> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > Beekes:
> > "ere:mos `lonely, uninhabited, deserted', of places and things,
> people
> > and animals (Il.);
> > ...the Greek form requires *h1reh1mos (zero grade would have

given

> two
> > short vowels, cf. /onoma/);" [< *h3nh3mn.]
> >
> >
> > PIE *HRH > Greek. V-RV (two syllables, with 2 short vowels)
> >
> > I would say that the PIE syllables were *h3.-nh3.-mn.
> > Otherwise:
> > 1. a supposed : *h3n.-h3mn. didn't explain why h3mn. in place

of

> the
> > expected h3m.n
> > 2. a supposed : *h3n.h3-mn. didn't explain why we would have 3
> > syllables later from the initial two and especially why with

such

> a
> > split : o-no-ma
> >
> > I couldn't find until now such clear examples for Latin...
> >
> > Marius
> >
>
> So in PIE :
> 1. Not only the Resonants can become syllabic but also the
> Laryngeals (this is not a news)
> 2. Secondly regarding : who became Syllabic or not (in a

specific

> context composed by Resonants and Laryngeals) really depends on the
> word syllabic structure.
>
> I doubt (based on the above example) that in PIE there was a Fix
> Syllabic Pattern HRH- > HR.H- (see Piotr) => that wouldn't depend

at

> all about the rest of the word
>
> Marius
>

An additional argument to what I was saying above:

Lubotsky (Against a Proto-Indo-European phoneme *a):
"
...
Recently, it was demonstrated by Beekes (forthcom.) that in the word-
initial
sequence RHC- not the resonant but the laryngeal was vocalized,

yielding -a- inItalo-Celtic and Germanic

and e/a/o (depending on the kind of laryngeal) in Greek.

This means that the above-mentioned roots had an internal H2, which
was vocalized in the zero grade
"


Marius